Someone1776
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« Reply #10 on: October 06, 2011, 07:06:PM » |
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Dante's model of the inferno has been a worthwhile model of hell for centuries of pious Catholics.
I think there's a BIG difference in saying that Luther is absolutely in hell (which is the sin of despair) and saying where in Dante's model is appropriate for sinners such as Luther (which is a hypothetical speculation).
You're right. I apologize for my comment. |
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« Reply #11 on: October 06, 2011, 07:13:PM » |
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It was particularly characteristic of Staretz Silouan to pray for the dead suffering in the hell of separation from God... He could not bear to think that anyone would languish in "outer darkness." I remember a conversation between him and a certain hermit, who declared with evident satisfaction, "God will punish all athiests. They will burn in everlasting fire."
Obviously upset, the Staretz said, "Tell me, supposing you went to paradise, and there looked down and saw somebody burning in hell-fire -- would you feel happy?
"It can't be helped. It would be their own fault," said the hermit.
The Staretz answered him with a sorrowful countenance. "Love could not bear that," he said. "We must pray for all."
- From Saint Silouan the Athonite by Archimandrite Sophrony
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« Reply #12 on: October 06, 2011, 07:18:PM » |
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This is a pretty disturbed question to ask. He was a real person with an eternal soul, not really something to make a game out of.
I understand your concern but as we know the author did make such speculations as matter of fact most of his "damned" were people who were his contemporaries. |
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« Reply #13 on: October 06, 2011, 07:19:PM » |
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I never understood this fascination about Dante's Inferno.
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"THE LORD is my light and my salvation, whom shall I fear? The Lord is the protector of my life: of whom shall I be afraid?" (Psalm 26:1)
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"I love truth," says he, "and not sects. I am sometimes a peripatetic, a stoic, or an academician, and often none of them; but—always a Christian. To philosophise is to love wisdom; and the true wisdom is Jesus Christ. Let us read the historians, the poets, and the philosophers; but let us have in our hearts the gospel of Jesus Christ, in which alone is perfect wisdom and perfect happiness." — Petrarch
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« Reply #14 on: October 06, 2011, 07:31:PM » |
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How do we know he's in Hell?
For the sake of this exercise let us assume that he is. ;) Maybe I'm a little stiff, but I'm not comfortable with that at all. Sorry. I agree with them, this exercise is kind of ridiculous. |
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« Reply #15 on: October 06, 2011, 07:38:PM » |
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Let's be honest: if Martin Luther is in heaven we're all taking this faith stuff way too seriously...
Not really. The integrity of the faith we believe and practice is important irrespective of whether it is related to our salvation. Obviously, the relationship between orthodoxy and salvation is important, but the integrity of the faith would still be important even regardless of that. Anyway, we cannot judge whether anyone else is in hell. Only God knows the heart and the conscience. This question would be best left unanswered. |
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« Reply #16 on: October 06, 2011, 07:45:PM » |
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I think there are approved visions which, to their seers, depicted the Protestant leaders in hell. Still, such can't be definitively established on this side of the great divide.
As an academic question, it is an interesting one. Perhaps this should be in the Literature section to clarify its intent.
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« Reply #17 on: October 06, 2011, 07:52:PM » |
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To answer the question, I might venture to say that the 6th Circle (Heresy) is fitting, but that the 9th Circle (2nd ring) of treachery by betrayal is also fitting.
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« Reply #18 on: October 06, 2011, 08:27:PM » |
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Martin Luther more than any one person (perhaps with the exception of Henry 8th) did more to undermine Gods authority on earth by shattering the unity of the Church on earth. Since then the church has been steadily losing ground to all the false isms of the world.
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« Reply #19 on: October 06, 2011, 08:33:PM » |
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according to the direction this thread has taken, In what place in Heaven, does St. Martin Luther belong?
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"Nothing is more miserable than those people who never failed to attack their own salvation. When there was need to observe the Law, they trampled it under foot. Now that the Law has ceased to bind, they obstinately strive to observe it. What could be more pitiable that those who provoke God not only by transgressing the Law but also by keeping it? But at any rate the Jews say that they, too, adore God. God forbid that I say that. No Jew adores God! Who say so? The Son of God say so. For he said: "If you were to know my Father, you would also know me. But you neither know me nor do you know my Father". Could I produce a witness more trustworthy than the Son of God?" St. John Chrysostom Sunday Homily
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