In what circle of Hell does "a certain Martin Luther" belong?

[kingtheoden]

My understanding of things is the same as Jovan: We know definitively a select few in Heaven, but we can't know with perfect certainty any particular person being in Hell (Not Purgatory/holding pen Hades...Hell, eternal damnation, perpetual separation from God, all Sacraments in Heaven, and from the society of all Christians judged worthy.)

Still, I agree with DK who offers a perfect analogy.  It is possible one could survive a botched skydive attempt.  This is the extreme exception.  Modernists and poorly formed faithful try to drive Mack trucks through these microscopic holes (on Catholic Answers, there was a robust discussion on 'good atheists' entering Heaven.)

Our Lord has told us what we need to know in Matthew Chapter 7:

[13] Enter ye in at the narrow gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way that leadeth to destruction, and many there are who go in thereat. [14] How narrow is the gate, and strait is the way that leadeth to life: and few there are that find it! [15] Beware of false prophets, who come to you in the clothing of sheep, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

[Pilgrim_here]

How do we know he's in Hell?

How could he be anywhere else?

By the Grace of God.

If he's sipping afternoon tea with the Blessed Virgin and St. John Vianney, I'm not sure what religion is really about.

I hope you're not Catholic simply because you don't want to be Lutheran.

Wow, personal insult instead of a discussion.  Nice.

[WhollyRoaminCatholic]

according to the direction this thread has taken, In what place in Heaven, does St. Martin Luther belong?

This.  Can anyone who questions the OP's comment about Luther being in Hell say (hand on heart) that they would pray and ask for his intercession?

Of course not.

Why?  Because deep down you just know he's in Hell along with Anne Boleyn, Henry VIII, Calvin, Zwingli, etc.

I'm not saying someone has shown me a list, but come on - common sense and all that.

Your "common sense" is in opposition to the practices of the Church.

...and all that.

[Mithrandylan]

according to the direction this thread has taken, In what place in Heaven, does St. Martin Luther belong?

This.  Can anyone who questions the OP's comment about Luther being in Hell say (hand on heart) that they would pray and ask for his intercession?

Of course not.

Why?  Because deep down you just know he's in Hell along with Anne Boleyn, Henry VIII, Calvin, Zwingli, etc.

I'm not saying someone has shown me a list, but come on - common sense and all that.

Common sense would say that St Dismus, a career thief, would be in Hell.  Common sense says that St Paul, one who ordered the execution of the early Christians, would be in Hell.  Common sense says that St Augustine, a pagan and a libertine would be in Hell.

I hope you're not relying on your common sense to get to Heaven, buddy.

[Pilgrim_here]

according to the direction this thread has taken, In what place in Heaven, does St. Martin Luther belong?

This.  Can anyone who questions the OP's comment about Luther being in Hell say (hand on heart) that they would pray and ask for his intercession?

Of course not.

Why?  Because deep down you just know he's in Hell along with Anne Boleyn, Henry VIII, Calvin, Zwingli, etc.

I'm not saying someone has shown me a list, but come on - common sense and all that.

Your "common sense" is in opposition to the practices of the Church.

...and all that.

How is it not common sensical to suspect that heretics go to Hell?

[Pilgrim_here]

according to the direction this thread has taken, In what place in Heaven, does St. Martin Luther belong?

This.  Can anyone who questions the OP's comment about Luther being in Hell say (hand on heart) that they would pray and ask for his intercession?

Of course not.

Why?  Because deep down you just know he's in Hell along with Anne Boleyn, Henry VIII, Calvin, Zwingli, etc.

I'm not saying someone has shown me a list, but come on - common sense and all that.

Common sense would say that St Dismus, a career thief, would be in Hell.  Common sense says that St Paul, one who ordered the execution of the early Christians, would be in Hell.  Common sense says that St Augustine, a pagan and a libertine would be in Hell.

I hope you're not relying on your common sense to get to Heaven, buddy.

Strange view of common sense.

Common sense tells me that saints are in heaven 'buddy'.

[WhollyRoaminCatholic]

How is it not common sensical to suspect that heretics go to Hell?

http://catholicforum.fisheaters.com/index.php/topic,3444675.msg33611704.html#msg33611704

[Mithrandylan]

according to the direction this thread has taken, In what place in Heaven, does St. Martin Luther belong?

This.  Can anyone who questions the OP's comment about Luther being in Hell say (hand on heart) that they would pray and ask for his intercession?

Of course not.

Why?  Because deep down you just know he's in Hell along with Anne Boleyn, Henry VIII, Calvin, Zwingli, etc.

I'm not saying someone has shown me a list, but come on - common sense and all that.

Your "common sense" is in opposition to the practices of the Church.

...and all that.

How is it not common sensical to suspect that heretics go to Hell?

You're not suspecting, you're declaring.  Don't change your tune.

[Pilgrim_here]

How is it not common sensical to suspect that heretics go to Hell?

http://catholicforum.fisheaters.com/index.php/topic,3444675.msg33611704.html#msg33611704

Not really sure quoting yourself helps, but think I am bored of this thread.

Amazing how instantly personal catholics get when someone disagrees

[Vetus Ordo]

Common sense would say that St Dismus, a career thief, would be in Hell.  Common sense says that St Paul, one who ordered the execution of the early Christians, would be in Hell.  Common sense says that St Augustine, a pagan and a libertine would be in Hell.

St. Dismas repented of his sins and believed in Christ prior to death.

St. Paul was converted by direct intervention of Christ and spent the rest of his life preaching the gospel and founding churches. He was one of the most important people the Church will ever have.

St. Augustine was converted many years before he died, became a bishop and left a great work of theology behind that has profited the Church very much.

All these men died in the bosom of the Church and in the friendship of God. None of these men can be compared to Martin Luther who, for all we know, died an unrepented heretic.