Weddings and Faculties

[Freudentaumel]

The "state of necessity" argument is overused. A state of necessity is in place if no priest that has faculties can be reached. For example in countries where the Church is persecuted.
"I'm a fan of Archbishop Lefebvre and the SSPX and the FSSP priest is 10km farther away" does not make an argument for a state of necessity.
Every single case where a Catholic that was married by the SSPX asked for an annulment, it was granted.

I know an (ex-)SSPX priest who asked and received faculties for confessions from the local bishop. He was expelled from the SSPX for "subordinating to another authority than that of the SSPX".

[JMartyr]

The "state of necessity" argument is overused. A state of necessity is in place if no priest that has faculties can be reached. For example in countries where the Church is persecuted.
"I'm a fan of Archbishop Lefebvre and the SSPX and the FSSP priest is 10km farther away" does not make an argument for a state of necessity.
Every single case where a Catholic that was married by the SSPX asked for an annulment, it was granted.

I know an (ex-)SSPX priest who asked and received faculties for confessions from the local bishop. He was expelled from the SSPX for "subordinating to another authority than that of the SSPX".

A state of necessity that the SSPX uses, from what I remember reading, is in general and not absolutely everywhere. Just look up  your local NO parish website. Usually some hints of watered down Catholicism and  more focus on social issues.

[SPB]

Usually some hints of watered down Catholicism and  more focus on social issues.

Though it means nothing in the grand scheme of things, I honestly believe that this has been satan's masterstroke more so than anything else. That is - the emphasis on "social justice" and "social issues" which is really just newspeak for forgetting that Christ brings all peace and joy; forgetting the Beatitudes; and promoting materialism and worldly security over and above and at the expense of heavenly security and salvation.

I am certain that if Michael Davies (RIP) had the time he would have written a book on this specific issue. Look at 99% of Religious Orders today. What are their motto's? Their "mission statements"? And nevermind those; what do they actively engage in and care about? Hardly any of it is centred around the most important thing we have this side of Heaven (the Mass). It is all about some or other "social justice" issue.

At the current parish I am at, every single homily so far has focused on "bearing with the economy"; and the 'Prayers of the Faithful' never once mention anything about conversion of souls or anything like that - it's all "we pray that families in our parish may be good to each other this Christmas".

Apologies for the off-topic rant, but I really think this is one area that is sometimes overlooked.

[TrentCath]

Usually some hints of watered down Catholicism and  more focus on social issues.

Though it means nothing in the grand scheme of things, I honestly believe that this has been satan's masterstroke more so than anything else. That is - the emphasis on "social justice" and "social issues" which is really just newspeak for forgetting that Christ brings all peace and joy; forgetting the Beatitudes; and promoting materialism and worldly security over and above and at the expense of heavenly security and salvation.

I am certain that if Michael Davies (RIP) had the time he would have written a book on this specific issue. Look at 99% of Religious Orders today. What are their motto's? Their "mission statements"? And nevermind those; what do they actively engage in and care about? Hardly any of it is centred around the most important thing we have this side of Heaven (the Mass). It is all about some or other "social justice" issue.

At the current parish I am at, every single homily so far has focused on "bearing with the economy"; and the 'Prayers of the Faithful' never once mention anything about conversion of souls or anything like that - it's all "we pray that families in our parish may be good to each other this Christmas".

Apologies for the off-topic rant, but I really think this is one area that is sometimes overlooked.

Which is another reason why I only attend Society masses 

[TrentCath]

I'm wondering if any Society of St. Pius X priest has ever asked a diocessan bishop for faculties for saying a wedding? My understanding of church law is that faculties from a local bishop are necessary for a valid marriage. I realize that there are a lot of bishops that would not give these priests faculties because of politics. BUT I think a good bishop would really want to be sure that Catholic couples are validly married.  And I also think a good  priest would want to be sure of the same thing. How can the priest say that he's marrying under extraordinary circumstances if he hasn't even tried to receive faculties and been refused? I know of an independent Traditional priest in my area, who years ago, married one of my cousins. He actually had faculties from the local bishop. Why can't the Society ask local bishops for the same? What can it hurt.? They can only be refused.

It has happened, and the fact is that if the SSPX position is correct and there is a state of necessity they have supplied jurisdiction.

If not there are still the cases of positive doubt, common error and probability, there is a very good article on the matter here http://www.sspx.org/miscellaneous/supplied_jurisdiction/validity_of_confessions_1.htm or you can have recourse to pre 62 manuals of moral theology.

[Phillipus Iacobus]

There's an SSPX priest in Texas who left his diocese and joined the Society, and never had his faculties revoked. Some dioceses outside the US grant jurisdiction.

Our local traditional priest, who simply refused to say the NO nearly 40 years ago, never had his faculties revoked.

[JMartyr]

There's an SSPX priest in Texas who left his diocese and joined the Society, and never had his faculties revoked. Some dioceses outside the US grant jurisdiction.

Our local traditional priest, who simply refused to say the NO nearly 40 years ago, never had his faculties revoked.

"There's an SSPX priest in Texas who left his diocese and joined the Society, and never had his faculties revoked. Some dioceses outside the US grant jurisdiction."
   Father Zigrang?

[Freudentaumel]

A state of necessity that the SSPX uses, from what I remember reading, is in general and not absolutely everywhere.

Yes, but just because the SSPX uses something doesn't mean it exists in Canon Law. The state of necessity foreseen by Canon Law is always a specific state of necessity (danger of death, persecution) and not the whole Church stopping in her ability to give true Sacraments to the faithful (which is essentially the argument of the SSPX).

[Freudentaumel]

There's an SSPX priest in Texas who left his diocese and joined the Society, and never had his faculties revoked. Some dioceses outside the US grant jurisdiction.

Our local traditional priest, who simply refused to say the NO nearly 40 years ago, never had his faculties revoked.

These cases exist, and they mean that those priests are allowed to say mass.
That doesn't mean automatically that they have faculties to hear confessions (which is something different).
It certainly does not mean that they have faculties to marry, which only the local pastor of bride or groom, or a priest designated by him can have.

[jovan66102]

There's an SSPX priest in Texas who left his diocese and joined the Society, and never had his faculties revoked. Some dioceses outside the US grant jurisdiction.

Our local traditional priest, who simply refused to say the NO nearly 40 years ago, never had his faculties revoked.

These cases exist, and they mean that those priests are allowed to say mass.
That doesn't mean automatically that they have faculties to hear confessions (which is something different).
It certainly does not mean that they have faculties to marry, which only the local pastor of bride or groom, or a priest designated by him can have.

One point one, faculties are not required for saying Mass. If he never had his faculties revoked, he still had every right to hear confessions.

On point two, you are correct.