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Phillipus Iacobus
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« Reply #20 on: January 09, 2012, 02:42:AM »

There's an SSPX priest in Texas who left his diocese and joined the Society, and never had his faculties revoked. Some dioceses outside the US grant jurisdiction.

Our local traditional priest, who simply refused to say the NO nearly 40 years ago, never had his faculties revoked.
These cases exist, and they mean that those priests are allowed to say mass.
That doesn't mean automatically that they have faculties to hear confessions (which is something different).
It certainly does not mean that they have faculties to marry, which only the local pastor of bride or groom, or a priest designated by him can have.

One point one, faculties are not required for saying Mass. If he never had his faculties revoked, he still had every right to hear confessions.

On point two, you are correct.

They let him use a church that an auxiliary bishop of a neighboring diocese once headed. There have been marriages there. I'm assuming faculties were granted, as this particular priest wouldn't take chances on this type of thing.
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« Reply #21 on: January 09, 2012, 03:37:AM »

They let him use a church that an auxiliary bishop of a neighboring diocese once headed. There have been marriages there. I'm assuming faculties were granted, as this particular priest wouldn't take chances on this type of thing.

If he is not the pastor of one of the parties to the Sacrament, he has no right to witness the marriage unless expressly granted by the Bishop or one of the pastors of the parties.

***ETA***And this is true of any priest, NO or Trad, ordinary faculties or 'supplied jurisdiction', etc. Only a pastor or the Ordinary has the right witness a marriage. They may grant permission to another priest to do so, but there is no automatic right to witness a marriage.
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« Reply #22 on: January 09, 2012, 03:57:AM »

They let him use a church that an auxiliary bishop of a neighboring diocese once headed. There have been marriages there. I'm assuming faculties were granted, as this particular priest wouldn't take chances on this type of thing.

If he is not the pastor of one of the parties to the Sacrament, he has no right to witness the marriage unless expressly granted by the Bishop or one of the pastors of the parties.

***ETA***And this is true of any priest, NO or Trad, ordinary faculties or 'supplied jurisdiction', etc. Only a pastor or the Ordinary has the right witness a marriage. They may grant permission to another priest to do so, but there is no automatic right to witness a marriage.

I see. It took like almost a year for them after the motu proprio to get the permission from the pastor and Archbishop to use that Chapel, and every Church we use for TLM's requires the pastor's permission, which has been granted and taken away.

Thanks for the note, because I did't know that.
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« Reply #23 on: January 09, 2012, 05:58:AM »

A state of necessity that the SSPX uses, from what I remember reading, is in general and not absolutely everywhere.
Yes, but just because the SSPX uses something doesn't mean it exists in Canon Law. The state of necessity foreseen by Canon Law is always a specific state of necessity (danger of death, persecution) and not the whole Church stopping in her ability to give true Sacraments to the faithful (which is essentially the argument of the SSPX).
The undermining of all ecclesiastical tradition isn't mentioned in canon law either. And yet it was and is anathema at the second council of Nicaea.
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« Reply #24 on: January 18, 2012, 09:22:AM »

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« Reply #25 on: January 18, 2012, 11:56:AM »

Matthew Talbot just posted a good response about this issue in another thread.
http://catholicforum.fisheaters.com/index.php/topic,3448077.msg33678827.html#msg33678827
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