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I'm currently stuck in Novus Ordo land. :( There isn't a TLM anywhere near. What should I do?  |
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« Reply #1 on: November 14, 2011, 08:56:AM » |
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I'm currently stuck in Novus Ordo land. :( There isn't a TLM anywhere near. What should I do? Go to the Novus Ordo to fulfill your Sunday Obligation, and try to get into contact with the FSSP or ICK to set up a Latin Mass nearby. |
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« Reply #2 on: November 14, 2011, 09:01:AM » |
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You cannot fulfill your Sunday Obligation at a non-Catholic Mass.
As I have mentioned in another post - Would you think it would have been alright for Catholics in the 4th century to attend Masses said by Arian priests that taught Arianism? If no, then why is it now O.K. to attend a rite of Mass that teaches Protestantism and Humanism? It doesn't matter if it is valid, what matters is the Mass itself and what it teaches. We do not have to just put up with abuses and sacrilege just to obtain our Sunday Obligation. This is not Catholic, as history proves (4th century Arian Crisis, 16th century England).
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« Reply #3 on: November 14, 2011, 10:11:AM » |
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You cannot fulfill your Sunday Obligation at a non-Catholic Mass.
As I have mentioned in another post - Would you think it would have been alright for Catholics in the 4th century to attend Masses said by Arian priests that taught Arianism? If no, then why is it now O.K. to attend a rite of Mass that teaches Protestantism and Humanism? It doesn't matter if it is valid, what matters is the Mass itself and what it teaches. We do not have to just put up with abuses and sacrilege just to obtain our Sunday Obligation. This is not Catholic, as history proves (4th century Arian Crisis, 16th century England).
We all know it's not quite as easy as that. Someone who lives a virtuous life within the NO, attending it with a good disposition, can be saved, which can not be said for Arians or prots. I'm struggling myself with this issue at the moment, and I think at the very least you never have an obligation to attend a mass where there is an obvious sacrilege going on, such as lay ministers or communion in the hand. Since the whole new rite is more or less a sacrilege though, I think that the day you stand in judgement you wont have much explaining to do there even if you decide to totally skip it, even if it means you don't attend mass at all. If that is the case however, you should obviously make an extra effort to keep the Sunday holy, praying in addition to you regular prayer during the same amount of time you would otherwise have spent attending mass. |
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« Reply #4 on: November 14, 2011, 10:26:AM » |
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Eh, that is depressing, but I think you're still obligated to go. But seriously, either work to start up a TLM (as trad tom said) or try to movemovemove.
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« Reply #5 on: November 14, 2011, 10:27:AM » |
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Polls like this are a dangerous thing. You should not leave your Sunday obligation in the hands of internet strangers. Unfortunately, you can't really ask a priest either because you'll either get a yes or no depending on the priests affiliation. Pray about it. Don't make your decision based off of what strangers on the internet say.
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« Reply #6 on: November 14, 2011, 11:00:AM » |
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I'll say a pray that your situation improves. In the meantime, any valid OF Mass fulfills your Sunday obligation. You will get conflicting arguments here but I don't tell you to go because I am an authority on this, I encourage you to go because the Church is the authority on this, and her precepts say you must.
If you're going to be in your diocese indefinitely, make contacts with other like-minded Catholics and petition your bishop for an EF Mass. Summorum Pontificum encourages you to do so and him to oblige.
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« Reply #7 on: November 14, 2011, 11:31:AM » |
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You cannot fulfill your Sunday Obligation at a non-Catholic Mass.
As I have mentioned in another post - Would you think it would have been alright for Catholics in the 4th century to attend Masses said by Arian priests that taught Arianism? If no, then why is it now O.K. to attend a rite of Mass that teaches Protestantism and Humanism? It doesn't matter if it is valid, what matters is the Mass itself and what it teaches. We do not have to just put up with abuses and sacrilege just to obtain our Sunday Obligation. This is not Catholic, as history proves (4th century Arian Crisis, 16th century England).
We all know it's not quite as easy as that. Someone who lives a virtuous life within the NO, attending it with a good disposition, can be saved, which can not be said for Arians or prots. I'm struggling myself with this issue at the moment, and I think at the very least you never have an obligation to attend a mass where there is an obvious sacrilege going on, such as lay ministers or communion in the hand. Since the whole new rite is more or less a sacrilege though, I think that the day you stand in judgement you wont have much explaining to do there even if you decide to totally skip it, even if it means you don't attend mass at all. If that is the case however, you should obviously make an extra effort to keep the Sunday holy, praying in addition to you regular prayer during the same amount of time you would otherwise have spent attending mass. I absolutely agree. There is indeed a matter of culpability. Myself and most people on this forum are culpable by knowledge. Average Joe Catholic (in the Arian Crisis and this one) is not culpable by knowledge because he doesn't know any better - he is just trusting his ecclesiastical leaders, which in times of proper ecclesiastical leadership is the right thing to do. We who are culpable by knowledge know that this is not a time of proper ecclesiastical leadership, therefore we must use the yardstick of Tradition as our guide, just as knowing people did in previous crises. Anything being advanced as "Catholic teaching" must be measured according to Tradition when we cannot trust our leaders. |
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"For we are not contending against flesh and blood, but against the principalities, against the powers, against the world rulers of this present darkness, against the spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places."
--Ephesians 6:12
Even if Catholics faithful to Tradition are reduced to a handful, they are the ones who are the true Church of Jesus Christ."
--St. Athanasius
I find your lack of faith disturbing.
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-- God Bless the SSPX.
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« Reply #8 on: November 14, 2011, 11:33:AM » |
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I'll say a pray that your situation improves. In the meantime, any valid OF Mass fulfills your Sunday obligation. You will get conflicting arguments here but I don't tell you to go because I am an authority on this, I encourage you to go because the Church is the authority on this, and her precepts say you must.
If you're going to be in your diocese indefinitely, make contacts with other like-minded Catholics and petition your bishop for an EF Mass. Summorum Pontificum encourages you to do so and him to oblige.
So are you saying I just have to put up with countless sacrileges and abuses just to obtain my Sunday Obligation for the week? Yeah, that sounds Catholic... I guess that St. Athanasius was just a damn fool - he should have just shut up and put up with the Arian abuses. I guess the English Catholics in the 16th century were also fools, they should have just shut up and put up with the Protestant abuses that were creeping into the Mass instead of being exiled or dying for the true Mass. Here's a question for you put up and shut up folks - would you go to a valid Mass to obtain your Sunday Obligation said by a priest who performs the Consecration stark naked? Where do you draw the line between what is enough sacrilege to put up with and what isn't? I'd say even one sacrilege is enough to avoid any Mass, and you won't find an N.O. Mass that isn't a sacrilege because it is by its very nature. |
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"For we are not contending against flesh and blood, but against the principalities, against the powers, against the world rulers of this present darkness, against the spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places."
--Ephesians 6:12
Even if Catholics faithful to Tradition are reduced to a handful, they are the ones who are the true Church of Jesus Christ."
--St. Athanasius
I find your lack of faith disturbing.
--Darth Vader
-- God Bless the SSPX.
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« Reply #9 on: November 14, 2011, 11:50:AM » |
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Go to the most reverent Ordinary Form you can find, kneel down, pray, and pray, and pray some more.
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