Michael Voris just put out his 5th video on the 50th Anniversary of VII

[Someone1776]

The Truth is the Truth - - - - it's supposed to and really does set one free - not scandalize.

But, trads are aware of the truth.  It seems like many trads want to discover every scandal they can and this ends up damaging their faith.  

If someone is aware of the problems in the Church, does it do good for them to read about Assisi?  Did you sit down and watch the whole thing?

There are several posters here who have stated they are contemplating leaving the Church altogether.  I am not saying one should avoid looking at the problems in the Church, but at a certain point for ones own faith one should stop purposely looking for scandal.  

We know there are problems in the Church, but what good does it do to allow your faith to reach the point that is defined around the problems within the Church?

[Stubborn]

But, their not covering it does not make them bad or irresponsible. They simply didn't cover it. They felt they had good enough reason not to. Does that negate any good they have done? No, it simply means we disagree with that particular judgment call.

It makes them indifferent. Indifferentism is a heresy, a product of modernism. Modernism is the synthesis of all heresies. Where does that leave RCTV?
Typically, they do expose lies and falsehoods - most of which have been happening for 40 years - and I understand it's new to many so good for them in that regard - but us trads want someone with their resources to actually do something to fix this mess, not be silent about it. Assisi needs exposing, needs to be challenged by somebody - even made a public spectacle of.........not ignored because they didn't want to "go there". WTH is that? Is THAT what passes for "Real Catholic" these days? - Yes, in the NO it certainly does but that's about it.

I mean here we have our pope doing the unthinkable and no one says a thing about it - how does that help anything?

[knittycat]

But, trads are aware of the truth.  It seems like many trads want to discover every scandal they can and this ends up damaging their faith.  

And want to shout it from the rooftops, which ends up damaging the faith of others. That is where I take umbrage.

[knittycat]

But, their not covering it does not make them bad or irresponsible. They simply didn't cover it. They felt they had good enough reason not to. Does that negate any good they have done? No, it simply means we disagree with that particular judgment call.

It makes them indifferent. Indifferentism is a heresy, a product of modernism. Modernism is the synthesis of all heresies. Where does that leave RCTV?
Typically, they do expose lies and falsehoods - most of which have been happening for 40 years - and I understand it's new to many so good for them in that regard - but us trads want someone with their resources to actually do something to fix this mess, not be silent about it. Assisi needs exposing, needs to be challenged by somebody - even made a public spectacle of.........not ignored because they didn't want to "go there". WTH is that? Is THAT what passes for "Real Catholic" these days? - Yes, in the NO it certainly does but that's about it.
 
I mean here we have our pope doing the unthinkable and no one says a thing about it - how does that help anything? 

But how would gossiping about it fix anything?  Because at this point, with it all said and done, that's all it is. Gossip.
 

[JayneK]

Speaking in St Peter's Basilica at the Vatican, Pope Benedict said the aim of the [upcoming October] summit would be to "to solemnly renew the effort of those with faith of all religions to live their faith as a service for the cause of peace"…. He said the summit would also "honour the memory of the historical event promoted by my predecessor". (Jan. 1, 2011)
 How are people of false religions living their faith going to bring peace? Only Jesus Christ is the Prince Of Peace. Only HIs Religion and His Commandments can bring peace.

The idea that false religions could nevertheless have elements of truth and goodness has been part of Catholic beliefs since way back in the Patristic period.  There is nothing opposed to the Catholic faith in saying that people of other religions wish to serve peace. They will not have the peace that comes with knowing Christ and Pope Benedict did not claim that they would.

]"to live their faith as a service for the cause of peace." Then what does this mean?

They think that peace is a good idea within the framework of their religious beliefs.

[Stubborn]

The Truth is the Truth - - - - it's supposed to and really does set one free - not scandalize.

But, trads are aware of the truth.  It seems like many trads want to discover every scandal they can and this ends up damaging their faith.  

If someone is aware of the problems in the Church, does it do good for them to read about Assisi?  Did you sit down and watch the whole thing?

There are several posters here who have stated they are contemplating leaving the Church altogether.  I am not saying one should avoid looking at the problems in the Church, but at a certain point for ones own faith one should stop purposely looking for scandal.  

We know there are problems in the Church, but what good does it do to allow your faith to reach the point that is defined around the problems within the Church?

Trads are sick and tired of 50 years of silence.

It needs exposing and needs to be brought right to the forefront, challenged and defeated.

I'd love to drive to the local Church for Mass - but I can't because there's a prot bastard service going on in my local church that teaches prot interfaith BS that is so sickening already (it was sickening after the first week,  +40 years of this sh** is beyond enough already) that some one SHOULD have made a major issue out of it - like RCTV.

They should have made a major issue out of it because it is a major issue to have our pope praying with leaders of false religions.

Most likely it would have made no difference, but at least it may have awoken up some folks.   

[Stubborn]

But, their not covering it does not make them bad or irresponsible. They simply didn't cover it. They felt they had good enough reason not to. Does that negate any good they have done? No, it simply means we disagree with that particular judgment call.

It makes them indifferent. Indifferentism is a heresy, a product of modernism. Modernism is the synthesis of all heresies. Where does that leave RCTV?
Typically, they do expose lies and falsehoods - most of which have been happening for 40 years - and I understand it's new to many so good for them in that regard - but us trads want someone with their resources to actually do something to fix this mess, not be silent about it. Assisi needs exposing, needs to be challenged by somebody - even made a public spectacle of.........not ignored because they didn't want to "go there". WTH is that? Is THAT what passes for "Real Catholic" these days? - Yes, in the NO it certainly does but that's about it.
 
I mean here we have our pope doing the unthinkable and no one says a thing about it - how does that help anything? 

But how would gossiping about it fix anything?  Because at this point, with it all said and done, that's all it is. Gossip.
 

What gossip? Assisi was a major event to every single Catholic - once you understand that, you'll better understand the frustration of it being ignored by one who was hoped to expose it for the good of the Church.

[JayneK]

Of course, I was hoping the accusation of "Protestantism" would soon come out of his mouth. We just needed to push him around a bit.

This bloke, Terry Caroll, is pure poison. Just reading his excuses for RCTV's intellectual cowardice makes my stomach churn.

Your constant attacks on the Pope make my stomach turn.  Your anti-semitism is pretty sickening too.

"Attacks on the Pope"? "Anti-semitism"?

You're obviously not very aware of historical and traditional Catholicism, are you Jayne?

Historically there have been many instances of schism and heresy over the years of the Church's existence.  However, calling ourselves traditional Catholics does not mean we should emulate them.

Certainly there's nothing "traditional" about enabling evil and sucking up to authority for authority's sake. That's your own version of Catholicism, not the real thing.

Traditionally, Catholics have been known for our love of the Pope and enemies of the faith have called us "papists" and "papolaters".  The Pope is the Vicar of Christ and the earthly head of the Church.  Recognizing that he is owed great respect is hardly "sucking up".  He is not doing anything evil so I don't have to worry about enabling him.  You, however, are doing evil when you attack him.  And I certainly am not enabling you. I am standing up to you and telling you to stop.

[knittycat]

What gossip? Assisi was a major event to every single Catholic - once you understand that, you'll better understand the frustration of it being ignored by one who was hoped to expose it for the good of the Church.

How is 'exposing' it good for the church (it was hardly hidden)? Also what good does bellyaching on internet forums do? It is gossip at that point. RCTV chose not to cover it because what good would it do to report it?

but us trads want someone with their resources to actually do something to fix this mess,

What do you want them to do? And how would reporting on it do any good? I've heard no answer yet.

[JayneK]

The idea that false religions could nevertheless have elements of truth and goodness has been part of Catholic beliefs since way back in the Patristic period.  There is nothing opposed to the Catholic faith in saying that people of other religions wish to serve peace. They will not have the peace that comes with knowing Christ and Pope Benedict did not claim that they would.

Wow, that's a stretch there JayneK - does that mean it is no longer sinful to pray with them - or does it mean it never was sinful to pray with them?

Or is it only ok for the pope to pray with them now - or - has it always been ok only for the pope to pray with them - - -- or - can you post any pre-V2 popes who have prayed with leaders of false religions?

As I understand it, Pope Benedict did not pray with any leaders of false religions at Assisi 3.  He had objected to this in the earlier meetings and made sure that it was not done at this most recent one.  Do you have some evidence that he was praying with them?  I would be interested to see it.