Michael Voris just put out his 5th video on the 50th Anniversary of VII

[Jackson K. Eskew]

we know what the true teachings are because of Tradition, and that because Holy Mother Church is preserved in error in this area, we know that if what is taught today contradicts yesterday, then that teaching is false. 

Thus Dignitatis humanae, for instance, is false.

Just, wow. Are you CMRI?

Not at all. One need not be a sedevacantist to recognize error as error.

[Norbert]

we know what the true teachings are because of Tradition, and that because Holy Mother Church is preserved in error in this area, we know that if what is taught today contradicts yesterday, then that teaching is false. 

Thus Dignitatis humanae, for instance, is false.

Just, wow. Are you CMRI?

Not at all. One need not be a sedevacantist to recognize error as error.

This.  A lot of whats in DH and NA is ridiculous, and I'm far from sede.

[Jesusbrea]

“If people are scandalized at the Truth, it is better to allow the birth of scandal, than to abandon the Truth.”

-Pope Saint Gregory the Great, Homily on Ezechiel, 7; cited by Saint Thomas Aquinas, O.P., Summa Theologica, Part II-II, Question 43, Article 7.

What makes it interesting to the Protestant Traditionalists in this forum is that, at Assisi, the Pope MIGHT give the impression that he considers all religions to be of equal value.  Of course, this impression would be FALSE because the Pope, if asked, would say that all religions are NOT of equal value (as he articulated in Dominus Iesus).  Since the Pope does not teach that all religions are of equal value, then any impression that he is so teaching is just plain FALSE.

Nope, he doesn't teach that all religions are equal, granted. He teaches that all religions are praiseworthy, rendering Saint Paul a liar  and not guided by the Holy Spirit when he said that the worship of pagan gods is worship of demons. What else would you interpret from the slogan "live your own faith for the cause of peace"? (paraphrase)

[ggreg]

I just skimmed my local Novus Ordo Parish newsletter which they mail to me once every three months. This is what counts for being pastoral nowadays. The leading article were about the changes to the new mass translation.  On the back page their was an article in praise of Voris and RCTV. Did not look like the parish editor or one of his staff wrote it. Rather that Voris's machine, Submitted it as a guest article.  Clever stuff. If he is getting publicity like this I am impressed with his PR machine.

[Jackson K. Eskew]

The excellent Fr. Michael Rodriquez of El Paso:

"Grave sins against the Faith include belittling, ridiculing, or obstinately questioning the salvific teachings of Holy Mother Church, as well as intentionally ignoring or maintaining silence on certain doctrinal or moral truths....It is not “pastoral” or charitable to sidestep or veer away from proclaiming the truth. If “love and compassion” are not grounded in the one truth taught by Jesus Christ and His Church, then “love” is a lie and “compassion” an illusion."

From:

http://www.remnantnewspaper.com/Archives/2011-1130-rodrigues-el-paso-bishop.htm

[JayneK]

What is the prevailing attitude among those who consider themselves part of the audience addressed by The Remant, Catholic Family News, and the SSPX?  Would you ever get the impression that they respect the Pope?  Would you ever get the impression that they are even part of the same Church as the Pope? 

 

I'm sorry to be this blunt but you're full of manure.

Terry Carroll is one of the most sensible people I have seen posting on Fish Eaters.  He appears to have a much better grasp of what it means to be Catholic than you do.

[JayneK]

This Terry Carroll from "Real Catholic TV" first calls us "uncharitable" and a bunch of meanies, then a few posts later goes on to label us as "Protestant Traditionalists."  Hmmm...

There is nothing uncharitable about calling you a "Protestant Traditionalist." I would be good for you to face the truth. You use Tradition to reject the authority of the Magisterium in just the way that Protestants use Scripture to do so.  Just like Protestants cannot see that they are following their personal interpretations of Scripture, you cannot see that you are following your personal interpretation of Tradition.  Real Catholics understand that the authority to interpret Tradition (or Scripture) does not lie in individuals.

And now you will call me a neo-con or some such nonsense.  But you are wrong about that too.  I am the one who has the genuinely traditional Catholic position on this.

[Someone1776]

This Terry Carroll from "Real Catholic TV" first calls us "uncharitable" and a bunch of meanies, then a few posts later goes on to label us as "Protestant Traditionalists."  Hmmm...

There is nothing uncharitable about calling you a "Protestant Traditionalist." I would be good for you to face the truth. You use Tradition to reject the authority of the Magisterium in just the way that Protestants use Scripture to do so.  Just like Protestants cannot see that they are following their personal interpretations of Scripture, you cannot see that you are following your personal interpretation of Tradition.  Real Catholics understand that the authority to interpret Tradition (or Scripture) does not lie in individuals.

And now you will call me a neo-con or some such nonsense.  But you are wrong about that too.  I am the one who has the genuinely traditional Catholic position on this.

Is you class over?

Welcome back?

[JayneK]

Of course, I was hoping the accusation of "Protestantism" would soon come out of his mouth. We just needed to push him around a bit.

This bloke, Terry Caroll, is pure poison. Just reading his excuses for RCTV's intellectual cowardice makes my stomach churn.

Your constant attacks on the Pope make my stomach turn.  Your anti-semitism is pretty sickening too.

[JayneK]

It's unattractive because many join thinking it's a lovely trad forum where we discuss the old Liturgy and practices of the Church. What the forum seems to be is full of Sedevacantists and Anti-Rome 'Traditionalists' who seem to do absolutely nothing but bash the Church and the Pope on these boards. It's hardly inspiring.

I agree completely.  I have been taking a break from the forum to focus on school work and, in many ways, I was glad to be gone.  It was a relief to be away from the constant attacks on the Church and the Pope done in the name of Tradition.  It is an abuse of Tradition.  The people who do this are doing the work of Satan.