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« on: November 29, 2011, 03:43:PM » |
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Hey,
I am starting spiritual direction with a tradtional priest. At the moment, my family attends the novus ordo. In the past I went to the latin mass some when I was single. When i got married, my wife wasn't comfortable so we went to a conservative novus ordo. My wife does work. I just got a job with good earning potential, so in a couple of years, my wife might be able to stay home. So there are a lot of changes i can't make overnight. One thing I'm working on is to start at least attending the TLM once a month. I understand the old mass well, but it will be different for my wife. We have 2 small children, a 2 and a 4 year old.
Any suggestions on getting my wife into the latin mass? Dealing with loud kids?
Thanks,
YOSUPMAN
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« Reply #1 on: November 29, 2011, 04:00:PM » |
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Hey,
I am starting spiritual direction with a tradtional priest. At the moment, my family attends the novus ordo. In the past I went to the latin mass some when I was single. When i got married, my wife wasn't comfortable so we went to a conservative novus ordo. My wife does work. I just got a job with good earning potential, so in a couple of years, my wife might be able to stay home. So there are a lot of changes i can't make overnight. One thing I'm working on is to start at least attending the TLM once a month. I understand the old mass well, but it will be different for my wife. We have 2 small children, a 2 and a 4 year old.
Any suggestions on getting my wife into the latin mass? Dealing with loud kids?
Thanks,
YOSUPMAN
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« Reply #2 on: November 29, 2011, 04:10:PM » |
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Hmm, well your first step is to ask her why she didn't like it when she went. It can take a while for people to get used to it. Ask her to try once a month for a few months, and then see. Get her one of the red brochure missals they hand out so she doesn't feel lost. Also, see if they have mother's/book/hobby she likes group associated with the church where she might make friends.
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« Reply #3 on: November 29, 2011, 06:22:PM » |
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Get a missal. There are lots of good explanations in them. Plus you can't read the prayers and not be moved.
Find a good church that has a friendly pastor. A depressing tone will make the exit look very lovely. Mind you, I said depressing, not honest. My pastor is honest and spells out what is going on, but you aren't depressed, you're inspired to be more holy.
Start trying it out once or twice a month. Try the first one at a nice high Mass. Hey, why not try this Christmas! I was brought back through incense and chant.
Get to know people. If you make friends, you are more likely to stick with it and be attached to the church. Go to the events. Are they having any Christmas functions? Caroling?
Kids should be quite in any Mass, so I hope you are doing that now. My best luck is with books with lots of picture, and sticker books. For the young one they don't have to be religious, but for a four year old you should start moving into the religious realm to prepare them to have a missal. Practice at home, and have a "huddle" before Mass. basically reaffirm the idea BEFORE you go in that we are going to be quiet, still, and reverent. Enforce with reasonable expectation that all kids get a little wiggle-wormy at times.
Pray, and be a good example.
In a gradual way reveal that you want to do the TLM. Have the discussions/debates when she asks questions. If you're a good guy and she is a good woman, she'll follow your example. Don't be afraid to ease that in, though. Emphasize what appeals to her. Tradition? Holiness? Sights and sounds? Reverence? Community? Have it be more than "it isn't the Novus Ordo."
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« Reply #4 on: November 29, 2011, 07:21:PM » |
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She has a moral obligation to obey you.
Force her to go.
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« Reply #5 on: November 29, 2011, 07:37:PM » |
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She has a moral obligation to obey you.
Force her to go.
This is horrible advice. |
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« Reply #6 on: November 29, 2011, 07:39:PM » |
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She has a moral obligation to obey you.
Force her to go.
This is horrible advice. With a whip. I forgot that part. |
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"THE LORD is my light and my salvation, whom shall I fear? The Lord is the protector of my life: of whom shall I be afraid?" (Psalm 26:1)
"And we, too, being called by His will in Christ Jesus, are not justified by ourselves, nor by our own wisdom, or understanding, or godliness, or works which we have wrought in holiness of heart; but by that faith through which, from the beginning, Almighty God has justified all men; to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen." — Clement, bishop of Rome
"I love truth," says he, "and not sects. I am sometimes a peripatetic, a stoic, or an academician, and often none of them; but—always a Christian. To philosophise is to love wisdom; and the true wisdom is Jesus Christ. Let us read the historians, the poets, and the philosophers; but let us have in our hearts the gospel of Jesus Christ, in which alone is perfect wisdom and perfect happiness." — Petrarch
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« Reply #7 on: November 30, 2011, 04:52:AM » |
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perseverance. it took me about 5 years to get the unit to come back to it.
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« Reply #8 on: November 30, 2011, 08:48:AM » |
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When i got married, my wife wasn't comfortable so we went to a conservative novus ordo.
Tell her you are not comfortable at the NO when the TLM is available and if there is any equity, you should go half and half. And if there is a proper order, you both go to the TLM because it was chosen by the head of the family. Dealing with loud kids?
They are not as loud as you may think, but the main thing I see with that is not conditioning them to be loud. Appeasing them at the slightest sound just conditions them. Proper rewards/punishments should be planned to avoid that issue. |
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« Reply #9 on: November 30, 2011, 11:44:AM » |
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Ask her to attend the TLM with you three times in a row. The ol' Scipio_a method always works wonders. Also, are you praying the Rosary as a family? I would encourage that. Get the kids into the habit.  And then, worst-case, see if you can alternate Masses by month or by week. Also, pray. |
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