OK for Trads to Debate Vatican II, not the Holocaust

[mikemac]

Well the entire world has been brainwashed to think of things either before the holocaust  or after as if WWII was just about the Jews and no one else.  There are enormous monuments to the Jewish holocaust all around the world as if no one else died in WWII.  We hear about the Jewish holocaust just about on a daily basis yet not many even know about the Ukrainian holocaust or the tens of millions of people killed by the Soviet Union and other socialist countries.  The sympathy that some Jews are trying to draw from this is way overblown when you put it in contrast to other atrocities.  Norman Finkelstein, the son of a holocaust survivor and other Jews have called this the "Holocaust Industry" and Finkelstein wrote a book titled the same.  Abba Eban, a former Israeli foreign minister coined the phrase "there's no business like Shoa business".  To this Finkelstein says "That is shameful and it ought to be rebuked, repudiated, exposed."

Finkelstein also says this, "Holocaust deniers and the holocaust industry have a symbiotic relationship. The Holocaust industry needs the deniers so that it can continue to claim the world is awash with Holocaust deniers so we need more museums, more conferences, more books, to justify their quote-unquote 'Holocaust education'. The holocaust deniers, they love the Holocaust industry, because the Holocaust industry supplies them with all the ammunition for their arguments. It's the Holocaust industry which continues to wildly inflate the number of survivors. As my late mother used to say, 'if everybody who claims to be a Holocaust survivor actually is one, who did Hitler kill,' and that's exactly what the Holocaust industry is doing. It's become the main exponent of Holocaust denial in the world today."
http://normanfinkelstein.com/article.php?pg=3&ar=15

This holocaust Industry has brainwashed people to the point that many are accepting of the zionists theft of Palestine as if they really are the "Chosen People".  And that is where Bishop Williamson has a right to speak about it as a Bishop of the Catholic Church.  I mean some people, even some Catholics have been brainwashed to think the Jews are still the "Chosen People".  Bishop Williamson didn't deny the Jewish holocaust, he questioned the numbers.  What is wrong with that?  In fact most of the sources that Bishop Williamson mentioned in that Swedish interview were Jewish sources.  That's right, even some Jews themselves are questioning the "official" numbers of the Jewish holocaust.

To even mention this in the Vatican and Bishop Fellay's talks regarding the SSPX, that should be just about Catholic doctrine is just ridiculous.  It shouldn't have anything to do with it.  What kind of spell do the zionists hold over these Catholics?

[newyorkcatholic]

So there was a joke told by Jews during WW2 that I read recently (in the context of an article about humor and the holocaust, how humor is used in tragedy in general, and so on).

I'm going to tell it here since I don't know where else I can use it!


An concentration camp guard is about to gun down a group of 12 inmates when he decided he'll spare one for his amusement.  He tells them, "I have a glass eye.  If one of you can tell me which one it is, I'll spare you."

Immediately an old Jewish inmate yells "the left!"

"Well, that's right," says the guard, "but how did you know?"

The inmate replied, "well, it looks so human!"

[Someone1776]

This holocaust Industry has brainwashed people to the point that many are accepting of the zionists theft of Palestine as if they really are the "Chosen People". 

The big question is why did the Catholic Church buy into this rubbish from the beginning.  Why did Pope Pius spend precious church resources trying to save the lives of those whose lives were not in danger?

Look at these clipping from World War II. 

It's disgusting. 

[mikemac]

I'm not denying the Jewish holocaust Someone.  And it was good that Pope Pius and the Catholics of Europe tried to protect the Jews.  But as Norman Finkelstein says it's gotten into a Holocaust Industry now though.

[alaric]

If traditional Catholicism is really about Holocaust denial than I am out.

    See ya.....

Oh and I love the use of the Judaic commie verbage of "Holacaust-denial" as to frame the argument.

Classic Jewspeak.

Someone, you are the typical example of a gutless, balless modern day "catholic" coward, especially when it comes to your Talmudic masters.

I think it's high time you dipped into your bank account, went down to see your local rabbi and formerly converted to the local synagogue.

I'm sure your time can be much better spent as an open Talmudic Jew than a crypto "traditional" catholic bashing other trad caths and bishops on their own websites.

Of course I could be wrong and you could've been an ADL plant all along.

In that case, say hello to ol honest Abe for me.

[alaric]

I'm not denying the Jewish holocaust Someone.  And it was good that Pope Pius and the Catholics of Europe tried to protect the Jews.  But as Norman Finkelstein says it's gotten into a Holocaust Industry now though.

Don't even bother trying to explain yourself with these type, the minute you do you lose the argument.

Just state the facts and move along, he's not even remotely interested in the truth.

Reality is not an option for these" Holocaust "worshippers.

[Traditional Guy]

I am still wondering if deisel engine fuel can kill people...

[newyorkcatholic]

If traditional Catholicism is really about Holocaust denial than I am out.

    See ya.....

Oh and I love the use of the Judaic commie verbage of "Holacaust-denial" as to frame the argument.

Classic Jewspeak.

Someone, you are the typical example of a gutless, balless modern day "catholic" coward, especially when it comes to your Talmudic masters.

I think it's high time you dipped into your bank account, went down to see your local rabbi and formerly converted to the local synagogue.

I'm sure your time can be much better spent as an open Talmudic Jew than a crypto "traditional" catholic bashing other trad caths and bishops on their own websites.

Of course I could be wrong and you could've been an ADL plant all along.

In that case, say hello to ol honest Abe for me.

Wow this makes so much sense.  I am really going to have to change my opinion of you, Alaric ... this was just such a sensible and thoughtful post.

A person who believes everything the Church teaches, is baptized, receives the sacraments, but also happens to believe something close to the accepted account of the fate of Jews during WW2 is obviously not really Catholic since he denies the dogma of ... well I don't know which one.  And he should become a Talmudic Jew, that's what the popes have suggested to such people before, right?

[Traditional Guy]

If traditional Catholicism is really about Holocaust denial than I am out.

    See ya.....

Oh and I love the use of the Judaic commie verbage of "Holacaust-denial" as to frame the argument.

Classic Jewspeak.

Someone, you are the typical example of a gutless, balless modern day "catholic" coward, especially when it comes to your Talmudic masters.

I think it's high time you dipped into your bank account, went down to see your local rabbi and formerly converted to the local synagogue.

I'm sure your time can be much better spent as an open Talmudic Jew than a crypto "traditional" catholic bashing other trad caths and bishops on their own websites.

Of course I could be wrong and you could've been an ADL plant all along.

In that case, say hello to ol honest Abe for me.

Wow this makes so much sense.  I am really going to have to change my opinion of you, Alaric ... this was just such a sensible and thoughtful post.

A person who believes everything the Church teaches, is baptized, receives the sacraments, but also happens to believe something close to the accepted account of the fate of Jews during WW2 is obviously not really Catholic since he denies the dogma of ... well I don't know which one.  And he should become a Talmudic Jew, that's what the popes have suggested to such people before, right?

Everything the Church teaches? What about what the Church says on Judaism? No one is denying the Holocaust here but we are questioning the extent of Jewish power and the Holocaust card the Jews always use. I have my doubts about this deisel engine fuel story and why are we also hunting down long-gone Nazis who are just old men now so that OSI may be pleased? From what I understand Someone is not Jewish in ethnicity but mestizo and considering a lot of the anti-Jewish sentiment those south of the border have on 'Jews' I am surprised he is not more critical.

[newyorkcatholic]

Everything the Church teaches? What about what the Church says on Judaism? No one is denying the Holocaust here but we are questioning the extent of Jewish power and the Holocaust card the Jews always use. I have my doubts about this deisel engine fuel story and why are we also hunting down long-gone Nazis who are just old men now so that OSI may be pleased? From what I understand Someone is not Jewish in ethnicity but mestizo and considering a lot of the anti-Jewish sentiment those south of the border have on 'Jews' I am surprised he is not more critical.

I think maybe you misunderstood me ... I was saying Someone1776 is a professed believing Catholic and suggesting wih sarcasm that Alaric is a idiot for suggesting such a person is really a Jew just because he doesnt oppose the accepted historical view of the holocaust.