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« Reply #180 on: February 16, 2012, 12:37:AM » |
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I posted this video just before I logged out this afternoon. I'm not sure if I made a mistake or whether it got deleted. I guess I'll find out.
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« Reply #181 on: February 16, 2012, 09:40:AM » |
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Your video will get deleted, mikemac.
It's against the rules and the praxis of the forum to discuss the holocaust, especially that in-depth. It's a sensible subject in terms of political correctness and Vox just wants to keep FE out of trouble.
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"THE LORD is my light and my salvation, whom shall I fear? The Lord is the protector of my life: of whom shall I be afraid?" (Psalm 26:1)
"And we, too, being called by His will in Christ Jesus, are not justified by ourselves, nor by our own wisdom, or understanding, or godliness, or works which we have wrought in holiness of heart; but by that faith through which, from the beginning, Almighty God has justified all men; to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen." — Clement, bishop of Rome
"I love truth," says he, "and not sects. I am sometimes a peripatetic, a stoic, or an academician, and often none of them; but—always a Christian. To philosophise is to love wisdom; and the true wisdom is Jesus Christ. Let us read the historians, the poets, and the philosophers; but let us have in our hearts the gospel of Jesus Christ, in which alone is perfect wisdom and perfect happiness." — Petrarch
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« Reply #182 on: February 16, 2012, 10:35:AM » |
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IMO, the 'holocaust" is the most glaring example because it is the only historical topic which is forbidden to be openly examined or discussed. Anyone who attempts to publicly examine the "holocaust" is mercilessly smeared whether they are a Jew or a goy, um, I mean Gentile.
This is absolutely ridiculous. If this is the case why did historians just completely destroy Hitler's Willing Executioners? In grad school the only book on the Holocaust I ever had to read was that book and it was presented to me as how not to write history. Heck, why did I learn more about the U.S. actions in the Philippines than about the Holocaust? And for that matter why was J.T. Gross's Neighbors also savaged by historians? In fact, in Gross's case historians questioned if the Germans even committed the massacre depicted in his book! Why is A.J.P Taylor a respected historian when he argued Hitler was not responsible for World War II and that he didn't burn down the Reichstag? Why did so many historians oppose the creation of the National Holocaust Museum on the grounds that the museum was more about politics than history? Why have I been at a historical conference where a top historian joked about how "every American Jew claims their mother's neighbor's sister's dogcatcher died in the Holocaust"? Why have many historians written about how the Holocaust is used for political purposes? Why have many historians raised questions about the historical memory of this event? Why did many historians oppose David Irving's conviction? Why do so many historians despise Israel? If it's all so amenable to questioning as you say, then why are people smeared, attacked, detained, tried, convicted, and imprisoned for "Holocaust denial"? If the inquiry is so free and open, then why is "Holocaust denial" (or "genocide denial") de jure illegal in many European countries, and de facto illegal in others like Canada? These simple little facts trump everything you wrote. There is no free enquiry permitted on the Holocaust, except for chipping around the edges. Hawaii Five-O is correct. My father is an historian at an important Canadian university. He even chaired the history department there for 8 years. I know his reaction to "Holocaust denial", and I know his colleagues' reactions, and often it is highly emotional. When I lived at home I was receiving newsletters from Michael Hoffman, and when my father happened on one of them he nearly kicked me out. In the end, resigned, he told me that the RCMP - Canada's federal police body - would probably start checking our mail if I didn't end my subscription. And he's right - they do that here.
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« Reply #183 on: February 16, 2012, 12:08:PM » |
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Forgive my naivete, but what spiritual good does one benefit from discussing, if the 'Holocaust" was as extreme or not so extreme as is claimed?
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« Reply #184 on: February 16, 2012, 01:04:PM » |
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What spiritual benefit did you gain from posting that? None.
I just finished discussing SAP FI/CO business certifications with a client. What was the spiritual benefit? None.
Often people do things for non-spiritual reasons and there's nothing wrong with that, as long as what they do isn't intrinsically disordered.
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« Reply #185 on: February 16, 2012, 01:31:PM » |
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What spiritual benefit did you gain from posting that? None.
I just finished discussing SAP FI/CO business certifications with a client. What was the spiritual benefit? None.
Often people do things for non-spiritual reasons and there's nothing wrong with that, as long as what they do isn't intrinsically disordered.
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"Nothing is more miserable than those people who never failed to attack their own salvation. When there was need to observe the Law, they trampled it under foot. Now that the Law has ceased to bind, they obstinately strive to observe it. What could be more pitiable that those who provoke God not only by transgressing the Law but also by keeping it? But at any rate the Jews say that they, too, adore God. God forbid that I say that. No Jew adores God! Who say so? The Son of God say so. For he said: "If you were to know my Father, you would also know me. But you neither know me nor do you know my Father". Could I produce a witness more trustworthy than the Son of God?" St. John Chrysostom Sunday Homily
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« Reply #186 on: February 16, 2012, 02:45:PM » |
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What spiritual benefit did you gain from posting that? None.
I just finished discussing SAP FI/CO business certifications with a client. What was the spiritual benefit? None.
Often people do things for non-spiritual reasons and there's nothing wrong with that, as long as what they do isn't intrinsically disordered.
If the answer to my question is something that is spiritually beneficial then it would be salutory. I was asking because I was honestly unsure and wanted to find out since such a big deal of it was made by the Vatican several years ago. Thank you for politely answering my honest question though.
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« Reply #187 on: February 16, 2012, 05:13:PM » |
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Forgive my naivete, but what spiritual good does one benefit from discussing, if the 'Holocaust" was as extreme or not so extreme as is claimed?
Truth is always important, be it in religion, politics, history, science, etc.
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"THE LORD is my light and my salvation, whom shall I fear? The Lord is the protector of my life: of whom shall I be afraid?" (Psalm 26:1)
"And we, too, being called by His will in Christ Jesus, are not justified by ourselves, nor by our own wisdom, or understanding, or godliness, or works which we have wrought in holiness of heart; but by that faith through which, from the beginning, Almighty God has justified all men; to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen." — Clement, bishop of Rome
"I love truth," says he, "and not sects. I am sometimes a peripatetic, a stoic, or an academician, and often none of them; but—always a Christian. To philosophise is to love wisdom; and the true wisdom is Jesus Christ. Let us read the historians, the poets, and the philosophers; but let us have in our hearts the gospel of Jesus Christ, in which alone is perfect wisdom and perfect happiness." — Petrarch
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« Reply #188 on: February 16, 2012, 09:34:PM » |
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Forgive my naivete, but what spiritual good does one benefit from discussing, if the 'Holocaust" was as extreme or not so extreme as is claimed?
Truth is always important, be it in religion, politics, history, science, etc. Yes I agree.
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« Reply #189 on: February 25, 2012, 01:41:AM » |
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Forgive my naivete, but what spiritual good does one benefit from discussing, if the 'Holocaust" was as extreme or not so extreme as is claimed?
Truth is always important, be it in religion, politics, history, science, etc. Yes I agree. How guilt should be turned into responsibility.
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"Nothing is more miserable than those people who never failed to attack their own salvation. When there was need to observe the Law, they trampled it under foot. Now that the Law has ceased to bind, they obstinately strive to observe it. What could be more pitiable that those who provoke God not only by transgressing the Law but also by keeping it? But at any rate the Jews say that they, too, adore God. God forbid that I say that. No Jew adores God! Who say so? The Son of God say so. For he said: "If you were to know my Father, you would also know me. But you neither know me nor do you know my Father". Could I produce a witness more trustworthy than the Son of God?" St. John Chrysostom Sunday Homily
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