And pray tell me where did the FSSP come from? Why do the other eclessia dei communities even exist?
Yes, we all know the history. But this gets old. When you start seeing yourself in this way, it is part of the general attitude. "YES, IT WAS WE, THE SSPX WHO DID ALL OF THIS! THANK US!". Where is God mentioned there? Where is the humility?
If you, and the SSPX, are so sure of your convictions (I am sure of many of the things the SSPX affirm by the way) then why do you keep promoting yourself - using the same rhetoric of "Well it it weren't for us...". If it weren't for the SSPX, God would have found another way. We are nothing more than instruments in His hands, and traditionalism is nothing more than a means to an end not an end in itself. Rather than tell us how much the Ecclesia Dei communities owe the SSPX, or how much Rome needs the SSPX, tell us how much glory must be given to God - how thankful we are that in His Divine plan things are slowly turning, that there even exists Ecclesia Dei is all part of God's plan.
The FSSP came from the SSPX and the other communities exist only because Archbishop Lefebvre stood his ground.
Yes, we are thankful for men like ABp Lefebvre, but it didn't begin and end with him. No need to make a cult of personality out of him. To think it was the SSPX only who were involved in the traditionalist movement is lunacy. They were the biggest players, no doubt, but there is a self-entitled "you owe us" kind of rhetoric that has started to flow from the mouths of the SSPX faithful and it isn't pretty.
Your characterisation of the SSPX as essentially 'People who moan but do nothing' is therefore total rubbish.
I didn't characterize them as that at all, and I never would. You are seeing yourself as a victim. The SSPX do a world of good. If there were no Eccelesia Dei communities near me I would happily attend an SSPX Mass (though unfortunately I have none, just a weekly Low Mass),
Why do you think SP was issued? Again because of the SSPX and their insistence on standing their Ground.
That's quite a lovely - convenient - reading of the events, but not entirely true. Your guess is as good as mine. I think SP was issued for a variety of reasons; but it was all divine providence, not the sole work of the SSPX.
All of these events did NOT happen because of the eclessia dei communities but because of the SSPX. Of course let us not forget that SSPX acts as a great counterweight to all the eclessia dei communities, being larger in both members and followers than all of them put together, and in a way forcing Rome to respect them.
Yes, ok, I get it, the SSPX are the best, everybody else must bow down to the SSPX. Who are the best. Without them, the Church would collapse. Once again, you read things conveniently. I am definitely not saying the SSPX are not influential. Nor am I saying they have done no work. However, it's not as cut and dry as you would try and make it, nor is it ultimately the SSPX who are the Vicar of Christ. That title belongs to a Prelate in Rome.
The plethora of books on V2, re-examining it, the criticism of communion in the hand, the growth of the traditional movement all of this is because the SSPX has fearlessly and opnely proclaimed the truth since its creation. I do not deny that the FSSP do good work and so perhaps do some of the other eclessia dei communities, but the fact is that only the SSPX has an apostolate spreading Catholic Tradition through books, prayer cards etc... (Angelus Press) and only they dare confront Rome and the bishops 'to their face' on their websites, newsletters etc... Some individual eclessia dei priests may do so but they cannot do so officially. Aside from all this the SSPX can operate in areas where other eclessia dei communities cannot or will not, often because of the local hierarchy, the SSPX operates in at least twice as many countries as any other eclessia dei community.
Why are you telling me this? As mentioned above, I never once said "SSPX do nothing at all". I don't deny the above. I already know how much they do. No need to advertise it to me. You are preaching to the converted in some sense.
Frankly your post as a whole strikes me as both naive and ignorant and ultimately is just more SSPX bashing.
Yours strikes me as reactionary and shows some poor reading skills since your main tack was to tell me how much the SSPX do when I never mentioned anything about how much they do or do not do. It is also a post that is sycophantic in it's obsession with citing the SSPX as the sole cause of everything good in the Church today regarding traditionalism.
Why would I outright bash the SSPX? I was making a post on my observations. Very general observations at that. If you deny that there is a dangerous ideology in many SSPX circles today it is you who is naive. When the SSPX criticize Rome and someone says "SSPX are Rome bashers" everybody here goes ape about such a stupid comment reminding everybody that sometimes critisizing is necessary. When the tables are turned on the SSPX all of a sudden "Oh look you hate the SSPX you NOer, by the way if it weren't for us you'd be xyz".