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Author Topic: Rabbi has problem with Tim Tebow  (Read 5294 times)
Walty
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« Reply #30 on: December 16, 2011, 06:54:AM »

I'm not a big fan of Tebow.  I don't hate him as many do, but I certainly don't like him.  As far as being a big football fan, it's annoying that this has all happened.  I still don't believe that he will have consistent success in the NFL or that he has very many of the attributes needed to be an NFL QB.  Everything about his throw is messed up.  Denver is running this year's version of the Wildcat.  Once teams have the tape and experience to clue in on the novelty of having him behind center they will destroy him.  If you shut down his capability to run and make him pass all game, defenses are going to have a field day week in and week out.  The Tim Tebow train won't go further than this season (and most likely no further than the first round of the playoffs).  I expect them to lose to New England this week, a sign that, even with Tebow still catching defenses by surprise, the Broncos can't beat any real contenders.  Let's also not forget how well the Bronco's defense has been playing or how games don't get won unless kicker Matt Prater is out there to kick 51 and 59 yard field goals to win games.

As far as his religious persona, it is nice to know there's a professional athlete out there who loves Jesus Christ, but I fear that his style is doing more harm for Christianity than good.  The Tim Tebow story has brought out some other athletes to admit that they're devout Christians, but that they believe Tebow is too showy about it.  Some of these guys probably do just as much charitable work and spend as much time in church, but they're not megaphoning in their faith on every play.  Tebow wears Christianity on his sleeve.  Again, he makes his entire religion look like a show, and he makes absolutely certain that no one forgets that he is a Christian.  Is that how we're called to live?

He's also an Evangelical, furthering their stereotypical brand of Christianity as THE Christianity.  How many atheists exist because they're too smart to deeply respect non-denominational Evangelicism?  How many would be Christians if traditional Catholicism could be presented to them as an alternative and, indeed, the genuine and legitimate instantiation of Christianity?
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she is tolerant in practice because she loves.
The enemies of the Church are tolerant in principle because they do not believe;
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« Reply #31 on: December 16, 2011, 07:17:AM »

"Norbert has problem with Rabbi".
yeah but the media doesnt care what catholics think lol
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« Reply #32 on: December 16, 2011, 02:22:PM »

I'm not a big fan of Tebow.  I don't hate him as many do, but I certainly don't like him.  As far as being a big football fan, it's annoying that this has all happened.  I still don't believe that he will have consistent success in the NFL or that he has very many of the attributes needed to be an NFL QB.  Everything about his throw is messed up.  Denver is running this year's version of the Wildcat.  Once teams have the tape and experience to clue in on the novelty of having him behind center they will destroy him.  If you shut down his capability to run and make him pass all game, defenses are going to have a field day week in and week out.  The Tim Tebow train won't go further than this season (and most likely no further than the first round of the playoffs).  I expect them to lose to New England this week, a sign that, even with Tebow still catching defenses by surprise, the Broncos can't beat any real contenders.  Let's also not forget how well the Bronco's defense has been playing or how games don't get won unless kicker Matt Prater is out there to kick 51 and 59 yard field goals to win games.

All true, though you would think one of the last six teams would have figured out the Wildcat deal, it isn't exactly top secret stuff that nobody has seen before.  The one aspect of this that I do enjoy is the idea of a team trying something different, and against common wisdom discovering that it works.  But, time will tell.  It probably won't work over the long haul, and I am still rooting for them to lose.

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As far as his religious persona, it is nice to know there's a professional athlete out there who loves Jesus Christ, but I fear that his style is doing more harm for Christianity than good.  The Tim Tebow story has brought out some other athletes to admit that they're devout Christians, but that they believe Tebow is too showy about it.  Some of these guys probably do just as much charitable work and spend as much time in church, but they're not megaphoning in their faith on every play.  Tebow wears Christianity on his sleeve.  Again, he makes his entire religion look like a show, and he makes absolutely certain that no one forgets that he is a Christian.  Is that how we're called to live?

He's also an Evangelical, furthering their stereotypical brand of Christianity as THE Christianity.  How many atheists exist because they're too smart to deeply respect non-denominational Evangelicism?  How many would be Christians if traditional Catholicism could be presented to them as an alternative and, indeed, the genuine and legitimate instantiation of Christianity?

This seems substantially like the Rabbi's position.  It makes a certain amount of sense.  False religion proudly being displayed as effective can arguably be dangerous.
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« Reply #33 on: December 16, 2011, 02:31:PM »

"Norbert has problem with Rabbi".
yeah but the media doesnt care what catholics think lol

Haha, I know, it just made me feel better to type.
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« Reply #34 on: December 16, 2011, 02:52:PM »

I'm not a big fan of Tebow.  I don't hate him as many do, but I certainly don't like him.  As far as being a big football fan, it's annoying that this has all happened.  I still don't believe that he will have consistent success in the NFL or that he has very many of the attributes needed to be an NFL QB.  Everything about his throw is messed up.  Denver is running this year's version of the Wildcat.  Once teams have the tape and experience to clue in on the novelty of having him behind center they will destroy him.  If you shut down his capability to run and make him pass all game, defenses are going to have a field day week in and week out.  The Tim Tebow train won't go further than this season (and most likely no further than the first round of the playoffs).  I expect them to lose to New England this week, a sign that, even with Tebow still catching defenses by surprise, the Broncos can't beat any real contenders.  Let's also not forget how well the Bronco's defense has been playing or how games don't get won unless kicker Matt Prater is out there to kick 51 and 59 yard field goals to win games.

All true, though you would think one of the last six teams would have figured out the Wildcat deal, it isn't exactly top secret stuff that nobody has seen before.  The one aspect of this that I do enjoy is the idea of a team trying something different, and against common wisdom discovering that it works.  But, time will tell.  It probably won't work over the long haul, and I am still rooting for them to lose.

It has been effective for a number of weeks, but I think there's a lot of information that coaches use to prepare that can only be gathered after they've played a given team and after they have a certain amount of games from which to see tape.  The Wildcast was sort of gimmicky in the sense that it was an unorthodox way to play football that only worked because of its novelty, but it worked for most of the first season that the Dolphins implemented it.  (It had been used in the NFL before that but only relatively sporadically).  The Wildcat formation has been adopted by a number of teams since 2008, but you probably see less than one play out of that formation from those teams per game.  Most of the time those plays don't work and even the Dolphins had little success with it in 2009.

NFL football changes somewhat with each generation, but you really only have a few general options of how to successfully run an offense:
 
1) Accurate pocket passer who can throw the ball downfield.  Requires a QB with a lot of accuracy, arm strength, patience, and smarts.
2) Ball secure QB who can play a West-Coast offense.  Requires a QB who is a good game manager with accuracy, ball control, and smarts.
3) Mostly run/ Play Action offense.  Requires a QB with good accuracy, good arm strength, and the ability to fake the run.

I think that if you look back on the history of the NFL you'll find that most, if not all, successful teams have employed some form of one or more of these offenses.  It is vitally important that every NFL QB has good accuracy.  It's more or less important depending on the offense and the ability to run the ball, but inaccurate QBs can throw balls into the ground or throw picks even on short passes.

Tebow doesn't have a very accurate arm at all.  His strength is his ability to run with the football, but QBs whose primary strength is to run have never really been successful in the NFL.  Unless you have one hell of a defense you really need to pass the ball to win games.  It seems like most teams nowadays use the run to set up the pass, the opposite of the NFL of the good ol days.  The most successful running QB of the modern NFL has probably been Michael Vick, but even he has never gotten further than the first round of the playoffs.

Unless Tebow can fix almost all of his mechanics and turn into waaay more of a pocket-passer he'll never be very successful.  The Broncos will get wasted in the playoffs this year unless we see some real good passing from Tebow for a chance, which I don't think is going to happen.
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Quote from: Rev. Reginald Garrigou-Lagrange O.P.
The Church is intolerant in principle because she believes;
she is tolerant in practice because she loves.
The enemies of the Church are tolerant in principle because they do not believe;
 they are intolerant in practice because they do not love.

Timorem Domini docebo vos.


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« Reply #35 on: December 17, 2011, 11:33:PM »

Walty gives a very thorough, erudite assessment as usual.  I anticipate my Patriots to humble this showboater.  I was planning a post on Tebow- I'm glad one is underway.

On the grave aspects of this latest chapter in diabolical disorientation, I am very opposed to the praises Tim Tebow is receiving from neo-Catholics (indeed anyone, but especially from those 'Catholic in the proper sense.)  Tebow is sort of the worst image of Christianity: That is, it is all about putting on a show.

Like the improbably happy Novus Ordo devotees, doctrine and practical day to day actions are not important.  Rather emotion and prancing around with a Bible (like Bill Clinton) is what matters. 

Furthermore, this Tebow foundation is actually directly engaged in corrupting the souls of our brothers and sisters in countries like the Philippines.  As others have pointed out, this scenario is a replay of the past: Catholics do the hard work, sacrifice, and even endure brutality.  Then comes in some dopey Protestant once the coast is clear only to screw up the minds of converts.

Personally, Tebow's 'Tebowing' looks goofy, is disordered (he is playing a GAME, not fighting in Baghdad or resisting temptation in a private moment), and directly contradicts Christ's command as to the spirit of our prayer life.  Furthermore, Tebow makes a big show of his sexual conduct (though he has been rather vague on the details if you listen closely), again making it seem that Christian life is merely seeming sexually well-ordered.  And really, these kinds of Protestants usually have a slice on the side and are just Calvinist showmen.  Also, they have no problem with abortifients.

I bet there are faith filled Catholic footballers who do their job, which is to play a game to entertain people.
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« Reply #36 on: December 18, 2011, 08:15:AM »

Anyone know any Catholic Nfl players?
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« Reply #37 on: December 18, 2011, 08:28:AM »

He's reading waay to much into a football game

It is the fact of what he is reading into it that disturbs.
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« Reply #38 on: December 18, 2011, 08:43:AM »

Anyone know any Catholic Nfl players?

Philip Rivers is a practicing Catholic.  Troy Polamalu is Orthodox. 

Oh, and good ol Brett Favre is Catholic too, though something tells me he's not much for practicing it.
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Quote from: Rev. Reginald Garrigou-Lagrange O.P.
The Church is intolerant in principle because she believes;
she is tolerant in practice because she loves.
The enemies of the Church are tolerant in principle because they do not believe;
 they are intolerant in practice because they do not love.

Timorem Domini docebo vos.
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« Reply #39 on: December 18, 2011, 09:04:AM »

I thought this writer started off well, making some interesting parallels and clever plays with words (combining the religion of football with the religion of religion)  I chuckled at that. 

BUT........  then he started making some pretty big leaps..... then his disgust got the better of him and just started being ugly.

Motive revealed, lost all credibility with me.


I used to make fun of Tebow (though I shouldn't be making fun of anyone), but I watched something recently.  Lately I've been seeing lots of different stories of him volunteering his time with sick kids, others in need, etc.  Thought it was a fake.  But, then I saw this video and it changed my perception of him entirely.  I'll let it speak for itself, but you can't fake it during a game.  That's genuine to me.  He overall is the wrong faith, yes, but at least he's trying and keeping God in his life (better than most of us).

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06hPC8-rs5k" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06hPC8-rs5k</a>
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