Why are white men so unattractive to the opposite sex?

[Graham]

Men from cold climates are more attractive.

Fact.

Does that mean what I think it means?

Probably not. What do you think it means?

I don't assume that "men from cold climates" = "white men," but I suspect that's what Titus Alba thinks? 

I could be wrong.

Even if that is what you meant, nothing wrong with that preference.  Others will disagree with that "fact" ... but then again, I'm not sure at all that that's what you meant.

Well, for anyone who has been to the twin cities that's certainly not the case.  Much ethnic diversity here.  In fact, I'm intrigued by it.  We have the largest (or at least we did, stats change) Hmong population in the US here.  I don't know the climate of where the Hmong come from but I don't think of it as being a winter wasteland.  Same with the somalis, of which we also have very many of.  And we have a whole bunch of latins as well.  And of course, there's a lot of black people.  We have some serbians here in South Saint Paul although much less now.  There's Russians, too.  I think it's very interesting, we have some poles but very few compared to Wisconsin, Chicago and Michigan.  Maybe Poles don't get along with the Norse, I'm not sure.  But once you hit MN and then go into the Dakotas, you can count on the white people being a majority of Scandanavian, German and Celt.  Lots of names like Anders(e)on, Peters(e)on, Eriks(e)on, and lots of Bj's.  Like Bjorkland, Bjork, Bjorland, the bj's are vast.  For the non-northerners, the bj is pronounced like "Byeeorkland."

Anyhow.

Surely that makes sense, and my "cold climate folks" = "white folks" interpretation was only suggested as a possibility, not trying to read Iolanthe's mind.

But, other than the fact that many peoples originating from cold climates centuries ago were white (with plenty of exceptions, e.g. Eskimos, but even they are much lighter skinned than Asian folks from say the Philippines) ... what else do them have in common that she finds attractive?

Good winter coats?

Could be.

Surely it is our rugged manliness and intrepid demeanor towards the elements.  Men of the north are true vikings, spending their days drinking dark stout and grooming their beards while roasting a bear with plenty of song surrounded by beautiful women and tales of valor.

Where else would one want to be? 

Well, and NYC you're definitely a testament to this phenomena of people who are not "naturally designed" (insofar as their heritage does not demand or have a history of) for a cold weather climate making their home in one, as you are Indian (dots not feathers) if I recall? 

This truly fascinates me. 

Yeah I'm Indian (dots not feather, lol, love it) but we're not completely from a warm climate... my dad was born in a city (Shimla) which is at a high elevation, where it's often cold and often snows.  NYC can be cold, but it's hot in the summer ... and i'd never compare our winters with yours!  My mom, also born in India, was born in an area that's mostly desert, always hot, and never sees snow.

As to the rugged manliness and intrepid demeanor: that's as good an explanation as any.

Ah, yes, and this idea is also foreign to me.  I think of India and I don't think of snow because of mountains.  Here in the great northern plains, we may have a mountain shared by everyone but I think really the closest we have to mountains is a couple hills and bluffs on the river. 

Speaking of winters, this winter has been miserable in that we have had next to no snow.  The temperatures have also been unseasonably warm, except for the odd day here or there where we get below ten F.  Pathetic.  I might have to move to Canada if this keeps up. 

Aside from a few stretches of cold, it has been indecently warm in my part of Canada too. On monday it rained and most of our snow melted. Yesterday was so balmy it felt almost like Spring.

[Iolanthe]

Surely it is our rugged manliness and intrepid demeanor towards the elements. 

This is what I was getting at, but it's kind of no fun anymore because evidently it doesn't occur to anyone that there are white men from warm places like California which I might feel like taking a jab at once in a while, which makes me a racist. Not to mention Florida.

I have an untested theory that guys who grow up having to shovel snow end up with more character and better defined arm muscles. But I like I said, it's no fun anymore.

[Mithrandylan]

Surely it is our rugged manliness and intrepid demeanor towards the elements. 

This is what I was getting at, but it's kind of no fun anymore because evidently it doesn't occur to anyone that there are white men from warm places like California which I might feel like taking a jab at once in a while, which makes me a racist. Not to mention Florida.

I have an untested theory that guys who grow up having to shovel snow end up with more character and better defined arm muscles. But I like I said, it's no fun anymore.

Shovel snow?  That's for girls.  I just kick it out of the way, or shout at it and it takes a hike.

[Someone1776]

Surely it is our rugged manliness and intrepid demeanor towards the elements. 

This is what I was getting at, but it's kind of no fun anymore because evidently it doesn't occur to anyone that there are white men from warm places like California which I might feel like taking a jab at once in a while, which makes me a racist. Not to mention Florida.

I have an untested theory that guys who grow up having to shovel snow end up with more character and better defined arm muscles. But I like I said, it's no fun anymore.

Shovel snow?  That's for girls.  I just kick it out of the way, or shout at it and it takes a hike.

Real men don't shovel. They see if they can their car out of the driveway without shoveling!

[cgraye]

I have an untested theory that guys who grow up having to shovel snow end up with more character and better defined arm muscles. But I like I said, it's no fun anymore.

Shoveling snow is actually the easiest and most pleasant of the outdoor chores, I think.  I hate mowing the lawn, weeding the garden, and all that stuff, but I'm always up for some snow shoveling.

[Someone1776]

I have an untested theory that guys who grow up having to shovel snow end up with more character and better defined arm muscles. But I like I said, it's no fun anymore.

Shoveling snow is actually the easiest and most pleasant of the outdoor chores, I think.  I hate mowing the lawn, weeding the garden, and all that stuff, but I'm always up for some snow shoveling.

Easy for someone who lives in an area that gets about 3 inches of snow a year to say!

When you get a couple feet of snow shoveling is far less pleasant. Especially if you are in an urban area and there is no place to put the snow.

[Mithrandylan]

I have an untested theory that guys who grow up having to shovel snow end up with more character and better defined arm muscles. But I like I said, it's no fun anymore.

Shoveling snow is actually the easiest and most pleasant of the outdoor chores, I think.  I hate mowing the lawn, weeding the garden, and all that stuff, but I'm always up for some snow shoveling.

Easy for someone who lives in an area that gets about 3 inches of snow a year to say!

When you get a couple feet of snow shoveling is far less pleasant. Especially if you are in an urban area and there is no place to put the snow.

We put it in the living room.

[Graham]

To chill the cases upon cases of cheap swill?

[cgraye]

Easy for someone who lives in an area that gets about 3 inches of snow a year to say!

When you get a couple feet of snow shoveling is far less pleasant. Especially if you are in an urban area and there is no place to put the snow.

Walty will tell you all about Snowmageddon.  And I was here for the Blizzard of '93 or '94 or whatever that was.  Heck, every few years we get a couple of feet dumped on us at once.  It's just not every year or all year.

But I used to live in Minneapolis, Chicago, PA, and the family is from Michigan, so I know my snow.  Plus, I was with the Rebel base on Hoth.  There I not only had to deal with tons of snow, but also huge wampa ice creatures.



True story.

[Someone1776]

Easy for someone who lives in an area that gets about 3 inches of snow a year to say!

When you get a couple feet of snow shoveling is far less pleasant. Especially if you are in an urban area and there is no place to put the snow.

Walty will tell you all about Snowmageddon.  And I was here for the Blizzard of '93 or '94 or whatever that was.  Heck, every few years we get a couple of feet dumped on us at once.  It's just not every year or all year.

When I lived in the Upstate it was Snowmageddon non-stop for months on end every year.  We didn't make the national news because we knew how to deal with it.