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« Reply #70 on: January 22, 2012, 01:04:AM » |
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Smoking pot is low-class and trashy; nevertheless, I don't see why it should be illegal.
It's not a good thing to speak of other Catholics as being possibly "low class". I'm "low class" but don't smoke the stuff. I was slightly taken aback by Resurrexi's comment, myself... I mean, if it's something both Bill Gates and Steve Jobs have smoked, can it really be considered "low class"? There's much more to class than money. A senator's son with an Ivy League education, even if he makes a modest income as a professor and inherits none of his family's wealth, will always be higher in class than an uneducated man from the ghetto who wins a hundred million dollars in the lottery. |
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« Reply #71 on: January 22, 2012, 01:08:AM » |
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Smoking pot is low-class and trashy; nevertheless, I don't see why it should be illegal.
It's not a good thing to speak of other Catholics as being possibly "low class". Why not? I'm not going to pretend that my Irish immigrant ancestors, no matter how devout, were anything but low-class when they came to America. |
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« Reply #72 on: January 22, 2012, 12:24:PM » |
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It depends on the ends for which they are used. I don't smoke pot and never have, but I think it's possible that alcohol, tobacco, and marijuana can all be used for virtuous ends.
Exactly. And the overwhelming and obvious motivation for using them is not appropriate, especially tobacco and marijuana. Drinking alcoholic drinks varies a lot because it isn't just alcohol. That is merely a component in a drink and not necessary the primary motivation for drinking. |
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« Reply #73 on: January 22, 2012, 01:01:PM » |
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I don't see any reason to keep it illegal in the US. I don't smoke it myself, but I also don't see why it's illegal, especially when you consider how much more dangerous some legal substances are. Often I find that arguments against it's legalization are based on logical fallacies and outright lies. Begin debate...  I don't smoke it either, but I agree. I also think its ridiculous that it's a sin. It's a heck of alot less harmful than alcohol( which I do consume) It is a sin because it alters your state of mind. You can't smoke it without becoming intoxicated, unlike alcohol. You can have a few drinks without altering your mind state but marijuana always causes you to become intoxicated, that is why it is a sin...That being said, I think it should be illegal because it is sinful. |
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« Reply #74 on: January 22, 2012, 01:04:PM » |
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I don't see any reason to keep it illegal in the US. I don't smoke it myself, but I also don't see why it's illegal, especially when you consider how much more dangerous some legal substances are. Often I find that arguments against it's legalization are based on logical fallacies and outright lies. Begin debate... I don't smoke it either, but I agree. I also think its ridiculous that it's a sin. It's a heck of alot less harmful than alcohol( which I do consume) It is a sin because it alters your state of mind. You can't smoke it without becoming intoxicated, unlike alcohol. You can have a few drinks without altering your mind state but marijuana always causes you to become intoxicated, that is why it is a sin...That being said, I think it should be illegal because it is sinful. Agreed. It does alter the mind almost immediately from the smallest of amounts and this mind altering can open the mind to very odd behavior. I have only used a ouija board and read parts of the Necronomicon while smoking MJ. |
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« Reply #75 on: January 22, 2012, 01:11:PM » |
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One last thought.
Although it is evident that I am strongly against the use of such substances as marijuana and tobacco, it is a smaller issue than many others. It is when I see their use praised or defended that I have an issue, especially for tobacco (which unlike marijuana and alcohol, has no desirable effects and is almost only used for satisfying an addiction).
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« Reply #76 on: January 22, 2012, 02:03:PM » |
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Smoking pot is low-class and trashy; nevertheless, I don't see why it should be illegal.
It's not a good thing to speak of other Catholics as being possibly "low class". I'm "low class" but don't smoke the stuff. I was slightly taken aback by Resurrexi's comment, myself... I mean, if it's something both Bill Gates and Steve Jobs have smoked, can it really be considered "low class"? There's much more to class than money. A senator's son with an Ivy League education, even if he makes a modest income as a professor and inherits none of his family's wealth, will always be higher in class than an uneducated man from the ghetto who wins a hundred million dollars in the lottery. Some of the world's most terrible politicians come out of Ivy League schools, sending our troops to die for industrial interests overseas, destroying our economy under the orders of financial interests. Some of the most educated and "gentlemanly" individuals in history consciously made terrible decisions. "Class" ain't worth sh*t. Besides, I'm sure there's PLENTY of Ivy League students who've smoked pot. |
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When you go up to receive communion, you're literally at the foot of the cross. Standing at all creation's center, the saints gather around. Martyrs, heroes staring into your very being. They lived AND died for Christ... can we say the same of ourselves? What are WE doing to further God's will in this life? Skipping Mass for our careers? Our education? Voting for heads of state, that don't recognize the source of all authority and power? They won't matter on your deathbed (or whatever end we meet).
So... why waste time with this modern world's nonsense? We have our own civilization: CHRISTENDOM. We must restore it whilst the modern world commits societal suicide.
Its naive and idealistic to believe government for man by man can succeed. Restore Christendom in our hearts and homes! Communities aren't that far off, its a numbers game.
"Accursed is the man that puts his trust in man" Book of Jeremiah Chapter XVII, verse 5.
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« Reply #77 on: January 22, 2012, 02:24:PM » |
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I don't see any reason to keep it illegal in the US. I don't smoke it myself, but I also don't see why it's illegal, especially when you consider how much more dangerous some legal substances are. Often I find that arguments against it's legalization are based on logical fallacies and outright lies. Begin debate... I don't smoke it either, but I agree. I also think its ridiculous that it's a sin. It's a heck of alot less harmful than alcohol( which I do consume) It is a sin because it alters your state of mind. You can't smoke it without becoming intoxicated, unlike alcohol. You can have a few drinks without altering your mind state but marijuana always causes you to become intoxicated, that is why it is a sin...That being said, I think it should be illegal because it is sinful. Agreed. It does alter the mind almost immediately from the smallest of amounts and this mind altering can open the mind to very odd behavior. I have only used a ouija board and read parts of the Necronomicon while smoking MJ. Sounds more like your problem than a problem with pot. Did someone persuade you to do it while smoking? Or were you all by yourself and went out and purchased the "Necronomicon" (it's fake, Lovecraft made it up, there's no REAL Necronomicon) and oujia board? |
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When you go up to receive communion, you're literally at the foot of the cross. Standing at all creation's center, the saints gather around. Martyrs, heroes staring into your very being. They lived AND died for Christ... can we say the same of ourselves? What are WE doing to further God's will in this life? Skipping Mass for our careers? Our education? Voting for heads of state, that don't recognize the source of all authority and power? They won't matter on your deathbed (or whatever end we meet).
So... why waste time with this modern world's nonsense? We have our own civilization: CHRISTENDOM. We must restore it whilst the modern world commits societal suicide.
Its naive and idealistic to believe government for man by man can succeed. Restore Christendom in our hearts and homes! Communities aren't that far off, its a numbers game.
"Accursed is the man that puts his trust in man" Book of Jeremiah Chapter XVII, verse 5.
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« Reply #78 on: January 22, 2012, 05:08:PM » |
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It is a sin because it alters your state of mind. You can't smoke it without becoming intoxicated, unlike alcohol. You can have a few drinks without altering your mind state but marijuana always causes you to become intoxicated, that is why it is a sin...That being said, I think it should be illegal because it is sinful.
Simply altering your state of mind is not a sin. Lots of natural things can do that. Heck, lack of sleep does that to me. The question is: does it cause you to lose your ability to reason? If so, then yes, it is a sin. If not, then no. If one can have a high that is something akin to a mild red wine buzz, where one feels slightly euphoric, there is no sin in that. Mood alteration is not a sin. Everything rests on their effect on your rational faculties. |
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« Reply #79 on: January 22, 2012, 05:10:PM » |
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Although it is evident that I am strongly against the use of such substances as marijuana and tobacco, it is a smaller issue than many others. It is when I see their use praised or defended that I have an issue, especially for tobacco (which unlike marijuana and alcohol, has no desirable effects and is almost only used for satisfying an addiction).
Where are the Chesterton fans? Ole' GK had a thing or two to say to those who demonize smoking. |
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