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« Reply #190 on: February 06, 2012, 06:49:PM » |
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Geographically conditional sins, lolz.
I know, right? I once had some guy tell me that while it was perfectly acceptable to take firing practice at a firing range, it was wrong for me to do so in the neighborhood. How absurd! Logical fallacy. I don't think so. The assumption behind the belief that a "geographically conditional sin" is a ridiculous concept is that context plays no role in moral decisions. But this is to overlook the whole premodern ethical tradition with its emphasis on Phronesis. Discerning correct moral action is not just about determining whether the act in question is inherently sinful, but also whether it is appropriate to the situation and whether it is just, both in relation to others and to the individual soul itself. |
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« Reply #191 on: February 06, 2012, 06:54:PM » |
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Geographically conditional sins, lolz.
I know, right? I once had some guy tell me that while it was perfectly acceptable to take firing practice at a firing range, it was wrong for me to do so in the neighborhood. How absurd! Logical fallacy. I don't think so. The assumption behind the belief that a "geographically conditional sin" is a ridiculous concept is that context plays no role in moral decisions. But this is to overlook the whole premodern ethical tradition with its emphasis on Phronesis. Discerning correct moral action is not just about determining whether the act in question is inherently sinful, but also whether it is appropriate to the situation and whether it is just, both in relation to others and to the individual soul itself. But the comparison between one nation or state/province and a neighborhood to a firing range is not an analogous comparison. |
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When you go up to receive communion, you're literally at the foot of the cross. Standing at all creation's center, the saints gather around. Martyrs, heroes staring into your very being. They lived AND died for Christ... can we say the same of ourselves? What are WE doing to further God's will in this life? Skipping Mass for our careers? Our education? Voting for heads of state, that don't recognize the source of all authority and power? They won't matter on your deathbed (or whatever end we meet).
So... why waste time with this modern world's nonsense? We have our own civilization: CHRISTENDOM. We must restore it whilst the modern world commits societal suicide.
Its naive and idealistic to believe government for man by man can succeed. Restore Christendom in our hearts and homes! Communities aren't that far off, its a numbers game.
"Accursed is the man that puts his trust in man" Book of Jeremiah Chapter XVII, verse 5.
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« Reply #192 on: February 06, 2012, 06:55:PM » |
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Your analogy was totally off. You were comparing a non-invasive activity using a non-lethal drug with a potentially invasive and lethal activity using an implement designed to be lethal to others.
Logical fallacy.
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« Reply #193 on: February 06, 2012, 06:58:PM » |
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Geographically conditional sins, lolz.
I know, right? I once had some guy tell me that while it was perfectly acceptable to take firing practice at a firing range, it was wrong for me to do so in the neighborhood. How absurd! Logical fallacy. I don't think so. The assumption behind the belief that a "geographically conditional sin" is a ridiculous concept is that context plays no role in moral decisions. But this is to overlook the whole premodern ethical tradition with its emphasis on Phronesis. Discerning correct moral action is not just about determining whether the act in question is inherently sinful, but also whether it is appropriate to the situation and whether it is just, both in relation to others and to the individual soul itself. But the comparison between one nation or state/province and a neighborhood to a firing range is not an analogous comparison. It's still a "geographically conditional" sin, though. The assumption was that something is either inherently wrong in all cases or inherently right in all cases, regardless of where you happen to be committing the act, which is not true. So, I am not saying that it is an analogous comparison. I am only saying that there is nothing ridiculous about the idea that we must take circumstances into account when determining correct moral action. |
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« Reply #194 on: February 06, 2012, 09:13:PM » |
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Dude, facepalm.
No.
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When you go up to receive communion, you're literally at the foot of the cross. Standing at all creation's center, the saints gather around. Martyrs, heroes staring into your very being. They lived AND died for Christ... can we say the same of ourselves? What are WE doing to further God's will in this life? Skipping Mass for our careers? Our education? Voting for heads of state, that don't recognize the source of all authority and power? They won't matter on your deathbed (or whatever end we meet).
So... why waste time with this modern world's nonsense? We have our own civilization: CHRISTENDOM. We must restore it whilst the modern world commits societal suicide.
Its naive and idealistic to believe government for man by man can succeed. Restore Christendom in our hearts and homes! Communities aren't that far off, its a numbers game.
"Accursed is the man that puts his trust in man" Book of Jeremiah Chapter XVII, verse 5.
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« Reply #195 on: February 06, 2012, 09:40:PM » |
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Alright, "dude." Facepalm, bro. Funny that you would turn out to be such a big fan of Kant, though.
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LoneWolfRadTrad
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« Reply #196 on: February 06, 2012, 10:45:PM » |
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Alright, "dude." Facepalm, bro. Funny that you would turn out to be such a big fan of Kant, though.
I'm not. Don't try to stray the topic. |
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When you go up to receive communion, you're literally at the foot of the cross. Standing at all creation's center, the saints gather around. Martyrs, heroes staring into your very being. They lived AND died for Christ... can we say the same of ourselves? What are WE doing to further God's will in this life? Skipping Mass for our careers? Our education? Voting for heads of state, that don't recognize the source of all authority and power? They won't matter on your deathbed (or whatever end we meet).
So... why waste time with this modern world's nonsense? We have our own civilization: CHRISTENDOM. We must restore it whilst the modern world commits societal suicide.
Its naive and idealistic to believe government for man by man can succeed. Restore Christendom in our hearts and homes! Communities aren't that far off, its a numbers game.
"Accursed is the man that puts his trust in man" Book of Jeremiah Chapter XVII, verse 5.
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« Reply #197 on: February 07, 2012, 08:30:AM » |
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Alright, "dude." Facepalm, bro. Funny that you would turn out to be such a big fan of Kant, though.
I'm not. Don't try to stray the topic. Alright, then what is so ridiculous about the idea of a "geographically-conditional" sin other than the idea of taking circumstances into account when determining proper moral action? |
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« Reply #198 on: February 07, 2012, 09:10:PM » |
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Yes, civil authority does usually have a distinct jurisdiction, that is a fact. So what? This attempt at reductio ad absurdum is failing. The subject is about moral obligation, not legal defenses. Do people taking part in this farce do the same about masturbation or other moral questions? And especially them who walk after the flesh in the lust of uncleanness, and despise government, audacious, self willed, they fear not to bring in sects, blaspheming. The arguments here are against all government. |
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« Reply #199 on: February 07, 2012, 09:27:PM » |
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Yes, civil authority does usually have a distinct jurisdiction, that is a fact. So what? This attempt at reductio ad absurdum is failing. The subject is about moral obligation, not legal defenses. Do people taking part in this farce do the same about masturbation or other moral questions? And especially them who walk after the flesh in the lust of uncleanness, and despise government, audacious, self willed, they fear not to bring in sects, blaspheming. The arguments here are against all government. now whos being hyperbolic. I want a Christian monarchy governing me...not a satanic police state republic or communistic dictatorship. |
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