JayneK
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« Reply #110 on: January 21, 2012, 03:11:PM » |
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To all you people whining about "Vetus called me this..." grow up. You are obviously ignorant of the fact that many saints were by no means friends with other saints on earth. Yes, even saints got into disagreements. And living in a large family, if me and my siblings all held on to what everyone said in the past, we would be at each other's throats all the time. Forgive and forget.
Anyway, I hope Vetus' ban is lifted, he was vital to FE.
I hope his ban does get lifted but the only person 'vital' to FE is Vox who runs and pays for a lot of it A forum isn't much without interesting, intelligent people  There are still a few of us left.  |
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« Reply #111 on: January 21, 2012, 03:15:PM » |
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« Reply #112 on: January 21, 2012, 03:16:PM » |
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JayneK
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« Reply #113 on: January 21, 2012, 03:19:PM » |
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And only one Vetus Vetus is intelligent and interesting. It will be great if he agrees to abide by the rules and comes back. But we can manage fine without him, if he does not. |
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ADORABLE Saviour, consider my many wants, and grant me those graces which Thou knowest I stand in need of to do Thy will in all things.
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« Reply #114 on: January 21, 2012, 03:24:PM » |
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He could come back if he'd stop calling people crypto-Jews, marranos, and the like. Same for other posters who've been banned. Just follow the rules; it's simple. Another who was banned actually called someone "hymie" on this forum. I'm not putting up with that stuff. Anyone who's been banned can come back by writing to me and promising to behave. I don't need or want apologies or grovelling, just a simple "I will try to follow the rules and will try to watch my mouth."
Vetus apologized for the comment he made to Jayne, and went out of his way to make peace with everyone he thought he might have offended at Christmastime. Is there something else he needs to apologize for? Or is he supposed to apologize a second time? ETA. I think it's a great there's a crackdown on the name-calling, but Vetus does not seem like one of the worst offenders here by any means. There are some posters who consistently make personal attacks and disgusting comments and make trads look like a bunch of psychotic freaks. |
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TrentCath
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« Reply #115 on: January 21, 2012, 03:44:PM » |
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To all you people whining about "Vetus called me this..." grow up. You are obviously ignorant of the fact that many saints were by no means friends with other saints on earth. Yes, even saints got into disagreements. And living in a large family, if me and my siblings all held on to what everyone said in the past, we would be at each other's throats all the time. Forgive and forget.
Anyway, I hope Vetus' ban is lifted, he was vital to FE.
I hope his ban does get lifted but the only person 'vital' to FE is Vox who runs and pays for a lot of it A forum isn't much without interesting, intelligent people Oh please get over yourself, the forum will God willing be here to stay, people on the other hand will come and go, willingly or not. |
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« Reply #116 on: January 21, 2012, 03:45:PM » |
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He could come back if he'd stop calling people crypto-Jews, marranos, and the like. Same for other posters who've been banned. Just follow the rules; it's simple. Another who was banned actually called someone "hymie" on this forum. I'm not putting up with that stuff. Anyone who's been banned can come back by writing to me and promising to behave. I don't need or want apologies or grovelling, just a simple "I will try to follow the rules and will try to watch my mouth."
Vetus apologized for the comment he made to Jayne, and went out of his way to make peace with everyone he thought he might have offended at Christmastime. Is there something else he needs to apologize for? Or is he supposed to apologize a second time? ETA. I think it's a great there's a crackdown on the name-calling, but Vetus does not seem like one of the worst offenders here by any means. There are some posters who consistently make personal attacks and disgusting comments and make trads look like a bunch of psychotic freaks. I'm sure Vox will sort things out |
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Someone1776
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« Reply #117 on: January 21, 2012, 03:47:PM » |
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Vetus apologized for the comment he made to Jayne, and went out of his way to make peace with everyone he thought he might have offended at Christmastime.
I can also add that Vetus sent me apologies before Christmas, which really wasn't necessary. I think Vetus' comments toward Jayne were repugnant and definitely banworthy, but it doesn't seem to make a lot of sense to ban someone a month after their bad behavior and after they apologized for it. Vetus can often be hot-tempered and I think he has in the past been in need of being sent off to cool off for a bit. But, it seems to defeat the purpose of sending him to cool off when he's been acting (relatively) cool. It's like punishing your dog two days after he soiled the carpet. The dog won't learn anything and only conclude you make no sense to them. And, they will continue soiling your carpet if you ever decide to let them back into the house! This isn't my forum, I don't read everything Vetus posts, and I respect the choices of Vox. That said I think it would be beneficial to all if there was a better understanding of how moderation works here and what the penalties are for breaching what rules. I am sure there is a method to the madness, but for us it often looks like bans are applied haphazardly and on whim. While we don't need to know why anyone, even longtime posters, are banned I think we would all be more understanding if we understood the process under which someone might get banned. It might also help if moderation seemed a bit more consistent. I am not sure why Vetus got banned a few days ago for calling Jayne a "crypto-Jew" a month ago, but Hector didn't get banned after calling her that right after you stated you wouldn't tolerate that. Again, I am sure you have your reasons. But, I think it would help us all if we just had some guidelines as to how your moderation process works. And, I think this would help prevent people from violating forum rules if they knew what exact punishment would follow from that breach. I have been on other forums where there have been an escalation of bans based on history. So for example after a first violation you would get banned for a day, second a week, third a month, and finally a permanent ban. Although some actions could cause an immediate permanent ban and the seriousness of various forum violations was explained so everyone knew. With this system moderators often handed out bans a bit more liberally since they knew they wouldn't be banning a person forever, and the person banned would also know what they did and would know to behave in the future. When someone finally got a permanent-ban they wouldn't be shocked and neither would the whole forum. And this system was fair as it gave ample warning to the person and meted out punishments for bad behavior as it occurred rather than after a certain undefinable accumulated amount of bad bad behavior. I suspect you're not the kind of person that wants to sit down and create a moderation flow chart for us, but I think especially with people paying subscriptions people have a right to understand how moderation works and what exactly could cause them to get banned. I think your desire to reduce the amount of personal invective here is a good one, but you won't succeed unless everyone understands what your policy on enforcement of the rules are. I also gather you are quite busy, so perhaps you might want to consider deputizing some people to help you moderate with the corollary that you had final say in all bans. That way we wouldn't have to wait for housecleaning when you have the time and energy for it. |
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ggreg
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« Reply #118 on: January 21, 2012, 03:54:PM » |
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He questioned whether I was really Catholic and called me a crypto-Jew.
What were his reasons for doing so? |
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« Reply #119 on: January 21, 2012, 04:12:PM » |
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If we want to remember back to when Quis was a very active moderator, he didn't tolerate Vetus's Jew remarks, either. In fact, I think Vetus may have been banned for a day or two before for similar remarks that we have become accustomed to. After Lauragate the forum was more or less unmoderated for content so we kind of became used to those sorts of remarks and allusions, but as long as I've been on FE with the presence of a content moderator, the Jewish remarks have not been tolerated. I'm saying this because if we think about it, it really shouldn't come as a surprise. We just got used to those things going unchecked.
Again, Godspeed Vetus.
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