Farewell to Vetus Ordo: Share the Memories

[JayneK]

He questioned whether I was really Catholic and called me a crypto-Jew.

What were his reasons for doing so?

I had to look up the thread because I couldn't remember the details.  I can see that I started it.  I called him a "de facto Protestant" and he, understandably, lost his temper and retaliated.  We both apologized to each other soon afterward.  If this were the only incident, I do not think it would not be a good reason to ban him.  

[Iolanthe]

Oh and I think we can all agree that Hector is a different poster writing under a new name, which is against the rules. Who are you really, Hector?

[Vox Clamantis]

Vetus apologized for the comment he made to Jayne, and went out of his way to make peace with everyone he thought he might have offended at Christmastime. Is there something else he needs to apologize for? Or is he supposed to apologize a second time?

ETA. I think it's a great there's a crackdown on the name-calling, but Vetus does not seem like one of the worst offenders here by any means. There are some posters who consistently make personal attacks and disgusting comments and make trads look like a bunch of psychotic freaks.

He wasn't banned for anything he said to Jayne.

Look, everyone:  unless you read all the posts and get all the "Report to Moderator" stuff, you likely miss stuff. Just because you do, don't think there's "madness" in my moderation, let alone "madness without a method." People get banned for breaking the rules. I usually let it go a while before I DO ban. When people are banned, they can write to me and ask to be unbanned if they promise to obey the rules. If they've been banned repeatedly for the same old thing, they will likely not be unbanned; if they haven't, they likely will if what they did to get banned wasn't too outrageous.  It's all very, very simple: obey the rules, don't be an ass, don't use words like "hymie" or accuse Catholics of being "crypto" whatevers and everyone should get along fine. I will NOT allow that which I think will lead some surfer out there who's looking into traditional Catholicism to get the idea that trads are bigots, mean, racists, Nazis, or whatever. Most trads are NOT these things, but the few loudmouths can make it seem otherwise. They WILL be banned if they can't shut their pie-holes. The purpose of this website is to BRING SOULS TO CHRIST. I will NOT allow all my years of work toward this goal to be shat on by people who have no charity or no prudence. I WON'T.

[Someone1776]

Don't think there's "madness" in my moderation, let alone "madness without a method." People get banned for breaking the rules. I usually let it go a while before I DO ban. When people are banned, they can write to me and ask to be unbanned if they promise to obey the rules.

1. I don't think there is madness without method, but perhaps sharing some more of the method with us would help dispel that false illusion. 

2. Perhaps you should be more willing to hand out short-term bans or at the very least more public warnings rather than "let it go a while before I DO ban."  When you let things slide people begin to think that their behavior is okay and are then gobsmacked when they do get banned.  I understand you want to be charitable to people and not run a draconian regime here, but having some minor punishments in place could help keep everyone behaved. 

[The Curt Jester]

1. I don't think there is madness without method, but perhaps sharing some more of the method with us would help dispel that false illusion. 

In my experience as a moderator in places, this is something that I've found is often asked for, but does little to nothing to help.  My two cents.

[tmw89]

Vetus apologized for the comment he made to Jayne, and went out of his way to make peace with everyone he thought he might have offended at Christmastime. Is there something else he needs to apologize for? Or is he supposed to apologize a second time?

ETA. I think it's a great there's a crackdown on the name-calling, but Vetus does not seem like one of the worst offenders here by any means. There are some posters who consistently make personal attacks and disgusting comments and make trads look like a bunch of psychotic freaks.

He wasn't banned for anything he said to Jayne.

Look, everyone:  unless you read all the posts and get all the "Report to Moderator" stuff, you likely miss stuff. Just because you do, don't think there's "madness" in my moderation, let alone "madness without a method." People get banned for breaking the rules. I usually let it go a while before I DO ban. When people are banned, they can write to me and ask to be unbanned if they promise to obey the rules. If they've been banned repeatedly for the same old thing, they will likely not be unbanned; if they haven't, they likely will if what they did to get banned wasn't too outrageous.  It's all very, very simple: obey the rules, don't be an ass, don't use words like "hymie" or accuse Catholics of being "crypto" whatevers and everyone should get along fine. I will NOT allow that which I think will lead some surfer out there who's looking into traditional Catholicism to get the idea that trads are bigots, mean, racists, Nazis, or whatever. Most trads are NOT these things, but the few loudmouths can make it seem otherwise. They WILL be banned if they can't shut their pie-holes. The purpose of this website is to BRING SOULS TO CHRIST. I will NOT allow all my years of work toward this goal to be shat on by people who have no charity or no prudence. I WON'T.

Echoing what drummerboy mentioned in another thread:  whither the Cornfield?

[Vox Clamantis]

I do temporary bans, too. In fact, Alaric's gotten them before.

I don't think I need to explain how I moderate other than to say the rules are the rules, I tend to let things slide for a long time (what Vetus got banned for is stuff he's been doing a while and could have and should have gotten banned for before). I am pretty lenient, want the place to feel relatively free and open, understand someone's having a bad day or even a bad week. I don't ban people for disagreeing with me. I don't NOT ban people just because they might be subscribers. Everyone knows what the rules are; there's a link at the top of the page. It basically boils down to "don't be an ass," ya know? Calling people "hymie" and referring to Catholics as "marranos" and such is being an ass. I'm not putting up with it. It'd be nice if people would, oh, say, look at a banned person's posts from the day he was banned rather than just assume I have no reason to ban. If everyone would look, they'd see Vetus calling someone, a newbie at that, a "crypto-Jew," and Alaric calling the same person a "hymie." Pretty in your face violation of the rules. And pretty ugly. Just the sort of thing someone looking into traditional Catholicism needs to see. Just the sort of thing that warms souls to Christ's Church. People who want to talk like bigots can go to another forum or start their own. I'm not paying for them to have that "privilege" here.

Sigh.

[TrentCath]

Vetus apologized for the comment he made to Jayne, and went out of his way to make peace with everyone he thought he might have offended at Christmastime. Is there something else he needs to apologize for? Or is he supposed to apologize a second time?

ETA. I think it's a great there's a crackdown on the name-calling, but Vetus does not seem like one of the worst offenders here by any means. There are some posters who consistently make personal attacks and disgusting comments and make trads look like a bunch of psychotic freaks.

He wasn't banned for anything he said to Jayne.

Look, everyone:  unless you read all the posts and get all the "Report to Moderator" stuff, you likely miss stuff. Just because you do, don't think there's "madness" in my moderation, let alone "madness without a method." People get banned for breaking the rules. I usually let it go a while before I DO ban. When people are banned, they can write to me and ask to be unbanned if they promise to obey the rules. If they've been banned repeatedly for the same old thing, they will likely not be unbanned; if they haven't, they likely will if what they did to get banned wasn't too outrageous.  It's all very, very simple: obey the rules, don't be an ass, don't use words like "hymie" or accuse Catholics of being "crypto" whatevers and everyone should get along fine. I will NOT allow that which I think will lead some surfer out there who's looking into traditional Catholicism to get the idea that trads are bigots, mean, racists, Nazis, or whatever. Most trads are NOT these things, but the few loudmouths can make it seem otherwise. They WILL be banned if they can't shut their pie-holes. The purpose of this website is to BRING SOULS TO CHRIST. I will NOT allow all my years of work toward this goal to be shat on by people who have no charity or no prudence. I WON'T.

 

[Hector]

Vetus apologized for the comment he made to Jayne, and went out of his way to make peace with everyone he thought he might have offended at Christmastime. Is there something else he needs to apologize for? Or is he supposed to apologize a second time?

ETA. I think it's a great there's a crackdown on the name-calling, but Vetus does not seem like one of the worst offenders here by any means. There are some posters who consistently make personal attacks and disgusting comments and make trads look like a bunch of psychotic freaks.

or accuse Catholics of being "crypto" whatevers

But surely not if it is deserved, and not if they are not Catholic? I know you're too knowledgeable to not know that the Church has a history of having problems with Jews who falsely convert. I'm willing to entertain the idea that Jayne loves a Jesus. Just not the Jesus St. Augustine, St. Thomas Aquinas, St. Joan of Arc, St. Gertrude the Great, St. John Chrysostom, and St. Francis of Assisi love. The Jesus Jayne loves is some Talmudized/Protestantized version of the real Jesus. Her views of the Jews are compatible with the Spirit of Vatican II, but not with Church Tradition. This is a traditional Catholic forum, is it not?

By the way, regarding racism, there's no such thing. It's a fraudulent idea cooked up by Jewish Marxists. You sound foolish to be saying you won't tolerate a phantom.

[Someone1776]

I do temporary bans, too. In fact, Alaric's gotten them before.

I don't think I need to explain how I moderate other than to say the rules are the rules, I tend to let things slide for a long time (what Vetus got banned for is stuff he's been doing a while and could have and should have gotten banned for before). I am pretty lenient, want the place to feel relatively free and open, understand someone's having a bad day or even a bad week. I don't ban people for disagreeing with me. I don't NOT ban people just because they might be subscribers. Everyone knows what the rules are; there's a link at the top of the page. It basically boils down to "don't be an ass," ya know? Calling people "hymie" and referring to Catholics as "marranos" and such is being an ass. I'm not putting up with it. It'd be nice if people would, oh, say, look at a banned person's posts from the day he was banned rather than just assume I have no reason to ban. If everyone would look, they'd see Vetus calling someone, a newbie at that, a "crypto-Jew," and Alaric calling the same person a "hymie." Pretty in your face violation of the rules. And pretty ugly. Just the sort of thing someone looking into traditional Catholicism needs to see. Just the sort of thing that warms souls to Christ's Church. People who want to talk like bigots can go to another forum or start their own. I'm not paying for them to have that "privilege" here.

Sigh.

Thanks for sharing that information.  I did look at Vetus' post history over the past few days before I posted here, and have double checked and I don't see what you are referring to, although presumably you deleted those posts.  However, if you were looking at the recent post history of the new user recently complaining about comments directed at him I think you might have failed to see that the repugnant and banworthy comments directed at him were from last July 25.  Alaric's comments were from August 17.   

Anyway, I apologize if I have come across as questioning your judgement and won't say anymore on this matter.  Thanks for moderating this forum and trying to make it a more pleasant place to post.