JayneK
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« on: January 25, 2012, 05:43:PM » |
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There are many good things to say about the SSPX. I think their founder was a holy man, doing what he thought best for the Church. They have struggled to preserve the TLM under difficult circumstances. They have taken a stand for orthodoxy in a time when many abandon it. I disagree with them on some points, but I agree sufficiently that I often attend Mass at their chapel. I used to defend them back when I was on CAF.
Unfortunately, some posters on FE seem to consider the SSPX the measure of being a traditional Catholic. They act like they think anyone who does not take the SSPX position is not a real trad and label such people neo-con, neo-cath, etc. There are enough people with this attitude that anyone stating a non-SSPX position can expect a bunch of people to forcefully, often unpleasantly, express disagreement. It has created an atmosphere of intimidation on this forum such that people who take non-SSPX positions may be reluctant to say so.
Lately, I have the impression there has been a shift in this. More and more are speaking up and taking positions not approved by the SSPX. I think, based on complaints I've noticed about how the forum is ceasing to be a real trad forum, our SSPX supporters here have noticed it too.
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« Reply #1 on: January 25, 2012, 08:21:PM » |
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There are many good things to say about the SSPX. I think their founder was a holy man, doing what he thought best for the Church. They have struggled to preserve the TLM under difficult circumstances. They have taken a stand for orthodoxy in a time when many abandon it. I disagree with them on some points, but I agree sufficiently that I often attend Mass at their chapel. I used to defend them back when I was on CAF.
Unfortunately, some posters on FE seem to consider the SSPX the measure of being a traditional Catholic. They act like they think anyone who does not take the SSPX position is not a real trad and label such people neo-con, neo-cath, etc. There are enough people with this attitude that anyone stating a non-SSPX position can expect a bunch of people to forcefully, often unpleasantly, express disagreement. It has created an atmosphere of intimidation on this forum such that people who take non-SSPX positions may be reluctant to say so.
Lately, I have the impression there has been a shift in this. More and more are speaking up and taking positions not approved by the SSPX. I think, based on complaints I've noticed about how the forum is ceasing to be a real trad forum, our SSPX supporters here have noticed it too.
More and more are speaking up and taking positions not approved by the SSPX Such as......? |
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" When I think that we are in the building of the Holy Office, the outstanding witness of Tradition and defender of the Catholic Faith, I cannot help thinking that I am on my own territory and that it is I whom you call ' the traditionalist' who should be judging you." - quote from Archbishop Lefebvre when questioned by the CDF
"Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre and Bishop Antonio de Castro Mayer are the two great saints of the modern Church. Once this catastrophe ends they will be instantly canonized." - Father Malachi Martin
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JayneK
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« Reply #2 on: January 25, 2012, 08:31:PM » |
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Here is an example from another thread, in a post by Nic: I have been away from this site lately due to my disgust with how neo-con it is becoming. I guess if the Catholic Church can be infiltrated, why can't Fisheaters? |
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« Reply #3 on: January 25, 2012, 08:45:PM » |
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Here is an example from another thread, in a post by Nic: I have been away from this site lately due to my disgust with how neo-con it is becoming. I guess if the Catholic Church can be infiltrated, why can't Fisheaters? what does this have to do with the SSPX? Maybe I am not understanding. |
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" When I think that we are in the building of the Holy Office, the outstanding witness of Tradition and defender of the Catholic Faith, I cannot help thinking that I am on my own territory and that it is I whom you call ' the traditionalist' who should be judging you." - quote from Archbishop Lefebvre when questioned by the CDF
"Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre and Bishop Antonio de Castro Mayer are the two great saints of the modern Church. Once this catastrophe ends they will be instantly canonized." - Father Malachi Martin
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« Reply #4 on: January 25, 2012, 08:51:PM » |
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Most of the posters seem to be leaning toward your way of thinking.
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" When I think that we are in the building of the Holy Office, the outstanding witness of Tradition and defender of the Catholic Faith, I cannot help thinking that I am on my own territory and that it is I whom you call ' the traditionalist' who should be judging you." - quote from Archbishop Lefebvre when questioned by the CDF
"Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre and Bishop Antonio de Castro Mayer are the two great saints of the modern Church. Once this catastrophe ends they will be instantly canonized." - Father Malachi Martin
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« Reply #5 on: January 25, 2012, 08:53:PM » |
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Here is an example from another thread, in a post by Nic: I have been away from this site lately due to my disgust with how neo-con it is becoming. I guess if the Catholic Church can be infiltrated, why can't Fisheaters? what does this have to do with the SSPX? Maybe I am not understanding. this |
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JayneK
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« Reply #6 on: January 25, 2012, 09:04:PM » |
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Here is an example from another thread, in a post by Nic: I have been away from this site lately due to my disgust with how neo-con it is becoming. I guess if the Catholic Church can be infiltrated, why can't Fisheaters? what does this have to do with the SSPX? Maybe I am not understanding. It's an example of an SSPX adherent describing Fish Eaters as becoming "neo-con". This is presumably in response to things like more people talking about the importance of loyalty to the pope and saying that it is not a sin to attend the NO. |
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ADORABLE Saviour, consider my many wants, and grant me those graces which Thou knowest I stand in need of to do Thy will in all things.
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« Reply #7 on: January 25, 2012, 09:24:PM » |
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What is the point of your post?
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« Reply #8 on: January 25, 2012, 09:27:PM » |
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Honestly, Jayne, if your point was to tell us about an observation then you probably should provide evidences (plural) in the op. If you took exception to Nic's post, you can just handle it there in the thread. Ya know?
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« Reply #9 on: January 25, 2012, 09:35:PM » |
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Honestly, Jayne, if your point was to tell us about an observation then you probably should provide evidences (plural) in the op. If you took exception to Nic's post, you can just handle it there in the thread. Ya know?
But then she would be accused of derailing that thread (again). Damned if she does, damned if she doesn't. Sometimes you just can't win! |
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