Phillipus Iacobus
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« Reply #120 on: April 13, 2012, 10:47:AM » |
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The Eastern Orthodox rite is a valid rite of Mass - but it is not Catholic and we should not attend it. Actually, a Catholic may attend the Divine Liturgy in an Orthodox church to satisfy his Sunday obligation under certain conditions. Fr. John Hardon discusses this issue here: http://www.therealpresence.org/archives/Mass/Mass_004.htmThis is Communicatio in Sacris and is only permitted under extreme circumstances. |
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« Reply #121 on: April 16, 2012, 04:13:AM » |
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The Eastern Orthodox rite is a valid rite of Mass - but it is not Catholic and we should not attend it. Actually, a Catholic may attend the Divine Liturgy in an Orthodox church to satisfy his Sunday obligation under certain conditions. Fr. John Hardon discusses this issue here: http://www.therealpresence.org/archives/Mass/Mass_004.htmThis is Communicatio in Sacris and is only permitted under extreme circumstances. No, I said "may attend the Divine Liturgy." I did not mean reception of communion. In any case, an Orthodox priest would not allow it. |
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Phillipus Iacobus
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« Reply #122 on: April 16, 2012, 10:44:AM » |
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No, I said "may attend the Divine Liturgy." I did not mean reception of communion. In any case, an Orthodox priest would not allow it.
Just because one does not receive does not mean attendance is okay. |
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« Reply #123 on: April 18, 2012, 01:07:AM » |
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Oh its soo sad to see the disunity between Catholics... there's the SSPX party, the Neo-Modernist Party, the Sede party... Its ridiculous! People, use common sense!  Our Lord said: by their Fruits you shall know them... There was 1 ordination in the NO church in France last year.. one!!!! lets look at the Society-- 11 ordinations in America! hello... If you cannot accept the facts then thats sad... I'm sure God will have mercy on you if you are a well intentioned mainstream Catholic but lets be honest.. we all know what path good intention paves. The mainstream Church, to everyone's distress :(, is teaching heresy... If you ignore this than your just an ignorant buffoon, albeit it may not be your fault. It isn't impossible that they teach errors, its just unprecedented, which is why there is so much confusion... It is obvious that the official Structures of the Church have been infiltrated by Neo-Modernists(aka heretics!) although it may be unwittingly. It is obvious to any educated Catholic that the NO Mess is just that... a Mess. In the General Instruction promulgated by the Pope Paul VI it is defined as : [The Lord's Supper is the sacred assembly or congregation of the people of God gathering together, with a priest presiding, to celebrate the memorial of the Lord. For this reason Christ's Promise applies supremely to such a local gathering of the Church: "Where two or three come together in My name, there I am in their midst." ] if you can't tell that this is almost exactly what protestants believe (with a president instead of priest) than your obviously a Neo-Modernist in the NO church.. It doesn't even make any mention to the True Physical Presence!! go figure only 32% of catholics under 30 actually believe it!!!! Good Luck, but your WRONG.  |
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« Reply #124 on: April 18, 2012, 03:04:AM » |
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The mainstream Church...is teaching heresy.
The Church cannot teach heresy. |
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« Reply #125 on: April 18, 2012, 06:07:AM » |
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The mainstream Church...is teaching heresy.
The Church cannot teach heresy. From this we know that either priests, bishops, cardinals and popes are not the Church - or Modernism is not heresy. |
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But because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold, not hot, I will begin to vomit thee out of my mouth. -Apocalypse 3:16
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« Reply #126 on: April 18, 2012, 07:10:AM » |
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The mainstream Church...is teaching heresy.
The Church cannot teach heresy. And she is not teaching heresy. |
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« Reply #127 on: April 18, 2012, 09:11:AM » |
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The mainstream Church...is teaching heresy.
The Church cannot teach heresy. And she is not teaching heresy. Of course She isn't. She is indefectible. |
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« Reply #128 on: April 18, 2012, 09:25:AM » |
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Churchmen may teach heresy. And robber councils may be called. So can purely non-dogmatic councils be called.
There is not a clear distinction between the differing levels of authority, nor is there proper room for human error and the free will of the Church to err in sedevacantism.
Pope John XXII publicly proclaimed heresy for years and yet none of the saints, great theologians, or popes since the end of his papacy in 1334 have claimed that he lost his office. To my knowledge, not one reputable member of the Church ever said as much.
And yet, modern day sedevacantists, if they were alive in the 14th century, would have to claim him to be an antipope. If their views on Church authority are correct, why have they had not even one ally in the past 8 centuries?
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she is tolerant in practice because she loves.
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they are intolerant in practice because they do not love. Timorem Domini docebo vos. |
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« Reply #129 on: April 18, 2012, 10:43:AM » |
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Churchmen may teach heresy. And robber councils may be called. So can purely non-dogmatic councils be called.
There is not a clear distinction between the differing levels of authority, nor is there proper room for human error and the free will of the Church to err in sedevacantism.
Pope John XXII publicly proclaimed heresy for years and yet none of the saints, great theologians, or popes since the end of his papacy in 1334 have claimed that he lost his office. To my knowledge, not one reputable member of the Church ever said as much.
And yet, modern day sedevacantists, if they were alive in the 14th century, would have to claim him to be an antipope. If their views on Church authority are correct, why have they had not even one ally in the past 8 centuries?
This. Modern day SV is a stage in life for some. Others just want to stand out. Sadly, some get duped in it by strong influences. |
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"Nothing is more miserable than those people who never failed to attack their own salvation. When there was need to observe the Law, they trampled it under foot. Now that the Law has ceased to bind, they obstinately strive to observe it. What could be more pitiable that those who provoke God not only by transgressing the Law but also by keeping it? But at any rate the Jews say that they, too, adore God. God forbid that I say that. No Jew adores God! Who say so? The Son of God say so. For he said: "If you were to know my Father, you would also know me. But you neither know me nor do you know my Father". Could I produce a witness more trustworthy than the Son of God?" St. John Chrysostom Sunday Homily
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