I learned something new about SSPX

[JayneK]

My wife has also been going through a crisis of faith at times. She is not a traditionalist in the sense that many people here would understand it, but is traditional in her faith.

If I am honest, I don't think I have helped by talking about my own concerns about the state of the Church. At times I have really struggled by what is going on in the Church and felt that I would go mad if I didn't talk to someone about it. But, unfortunately, this has raised questions in her own mind.

I think that something like this is a factor for us too.

[newyorkcatholic]

Is it possible that adherents of the SSPX are envious of those who are in full communion with the Church, and who have full acceptance of the heirarchy, and that the NO has full acceptance, too?

That's laughable.

I attend the Society masses and, despite all my flaws, I'm in full communion with the Church unlike many who pose as Catholics.

Agreed that could not be a reason for envy since SSPX is Catholic. But one could be envious of those with crystal clear regular status.

[JayneK]

Jayne, have you considered going to the NO Mass regularly with your husband? I could be wrong, but it may help him if you can support him in this way.

I've often wondered why trads have the tendency to look for what is wrong, rather than what is right.  I'm guilty of this myself. Last Sunday, the priest's homily was about the sin of envy, and I've been thinking about that homily a lot. Is it possible that adherents of the SSPX are envious of those who are in full communion with the Church, and who have full acceptance of the heirarchy, and that the NO has full acceptance, too? In the homily, it was mentioned that the sin of envy makes enemies, and looks for what is wrong, and attacks others. The priest said that we should pray for the victims of those who are attacked out of envy.

My husband is miserable when I attend the NO with him.  He spends the whole Mass thinking about how much it is bothering me.  Even if I don't complain, even if I manage to focus on praying and avoid thinking about the problems, he imagines that I am upset and it distracts him.  In general, it is wonderful to have a husband who is so considerate of my feelings but it is not so wonderful when it ends up hurting him like this.

I doubt very much that SSPX adherents are dealing with envy.  They have good grounds for being concerned with the state of the Church.  I share many of their concerns. It is just human nature to focus on the negative too much.

[Richard C]

Jayne, have you considered going to the NO Mass regularly with your husband? I could be wrong, but it may help him if you can support him in this way.

I've often wondered why trads have the tendency to look for what is wrong, rather than what is right.  I'm guilty of this myself. Last Sunday, the priest's homily was about the sin of envy, and I've been thinking about that homily a lot. Is it possible that adherents of the SSPX are envious of those who are in full communion with the Church, and who have full acceptance of the heirarchy, and that the NO has full acceptance, too? In the homily, it was mentioned that the sin of envy makes enemies, and looks for what is wrong, and attacks others. The priest said that we should pray for the victims of those who are attacked out of envy.

My husband is miserable when I attend the NO with him.  He spends the whole Mass thinking about how much it is bothering me.  Even if I don't complain, even if I manage to focus on praying and avoid thinking about the problems, he imagines that I am upset and it distracts him.  In general, it is wonderful to have a husband who is so considerate of my feelings but it is not so wonderful when it ends up hurting him like this.

I doubt very much that SSPX adherents are dealing with envy.  They have good grounds for being concerned with the state of the Church.  I share many of their concerns. It is just human nature to focus on the negative too much.

JayneK, I think you should post this in the oratory if you haven't already.

[JayneK]

JayneK, I think you should post this in the oratory if you haven't already.

Good idea, Richard.  I have done so now.  Thank you.

[Lavalliere]

I deleted my post.

[JMartyr]

Is it possible that adherents of the SSPX are envious of those who are in full communion with the Church, and who have full acceptance of the heirarchy, and that the NO has full acceptance, too?

That's laughable.

I attend the Society masses and, despite all my flaws, I'm in full communion with the Church unlike many who pose as Catholics.

To not have the acceptance of the hierarchy in this crisis is, unfortunately, a sign of orthodoxy.

[Meg]

Jayne, have you considered going to the NO Mass regularly with your husband? I could be wrong, but it may help him if you can support him in this way.

I've often wondered why trads have the tendency to look for what is wrong, rather than what is right.  I'm guilty of this myself. Last Sunday, the priest's homily was about the sin of envy, and I've been thinking about that homily a lot. Is it possible that adherents of the SSPX are envious of those who are in full communion with the Church, and who have full acceptance of the heirarchy, and that the NO has full acceptance, too? In the homily, it was mentioned that the sin of envy makes enemies, and looks for what is wrong, and attacks others. The priest said that we should pray for the victims of those who are attacked out of envy.

My husband is miserable when I attend the NO with him.  He spends the whole Mass thinking about how much it is bothering me.  Even if I don't complain, even if I manage to focus on praying and avoid thinking about the problems, he imagines that I am upset and it distracts him.  In general, it is wonderful to have a husband who is so considerate of my feelings but it is not so wonderful when it ends up hurting him like this.

I doubt very much that SSPX adherents are dealing with envy.  They have good grounds for being concerned with the state of the Church.  I share many of their concerns. It is just human nature to focus on the negative too much.

Regarding it just being human nature to focus on the negative too much, we have the example of the saints who were able to rise above the flaws of human nature, in order to try to achieve holiness. If traditional Catholicism is really superior, then traditional Catholics would consider their own sanctification as paramount, rather than trying to find the flaws in others. That's what I like most about Catholicism. It forces me to work on my own crappy nature, but it's difficult to do when I'm focusing on the flaws of others. I expect everyone here will disagree, but so what...I don't really care.

Jayne, do you ask Our Lord and Our Lady for the graces to attend the NO and not be bothered by it? I have found this helpful when I attend the NO.

[jovan66102]

No it's not.  Lots of people have positive doubt about Lefebvre's ordination.  Just use the google, you'll see.  Don't shoot the messenger.   

I don't believe this!
Starting rumors. Just shows ignorance.
It's 1 am. I won't give you the time of day...err, night..
Dr. go and pester the sedes why dontcha?. Leave us Catholics alone.
g'night.

Unfortunately, the good Doctor is not starting rumours. I have been aware for years of people who doubt or deny the validity of Msgr's Consecration. However, as far as the current SSPX Bishops, Bombay is as wrong as he can be. Whether or not Marcel Lefebvre was a valid Bishop is immaterial unless there are equal or greater doubts regarding Msgr Castro-Meyer's Consecration and I've never heard any doubts on that matter. In fact, the reason the Church requires, in normal situations, multiple Consecrators is exactly that. If there are questions about the validity of one, the Consecration is still valid because of the 'backup(s)'.

[JayneK]

My husband is miserable when I attend the NO with him.  He spends the whole Mass thinking about how much it is bothering me.  Even if I don't complain, even if I manage to focus on praying and avoid thinking about the problems, he imagines that I am upset and it distracts him.  In general, it is wonderful to have a husband who is so considerate of my feelings but it is not so wonderful when it ends up hurting him like this.

I doubt very much that SSPX adherents are dealing with envy.  They have good grounds for being concerned with the state of the Church.  I share many of their concerns. It is just human nature to focus on the negative too much.

Regarding it just being human nature to focus on the negative too much, we have the example of the saints who were able to rise above the flaws of human nature, in order to try to achieve holiness. If traditional Catholicism is really superior, then traditional Catholics would consider their own sanctification as paramount, rather than trying to find the flaws in others. That's what I like most about Catholicism. It forces me to work on my own crappy nature, but it's difficult to do when I'm focusing on the flaws of others. I expect everyone here will disagree, but so what...I don't really care.

Jayne, do you ask Our Lord and Our Lady for the graces to attend the NO and not be bothered by it? I have found this helpful when I attend the NO.

Traditional Catholicism is Catholicism.  It is the nature of being Catholic to be rooted in tradition.  But, among people who recognize that, we are all at different stages of progress in overcoming our faults.  Some may be overly negative, some may have other struggles.  This does not change the value of tradition.

I have gotten much better at dealing with the NO but my husband still thinks of me as really upset by it.