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« Reply #70 on: February 09, 2012, 12:44:PM » |
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Jayne may be forced to make a choice: the Catholic Church and her husband's faith, or the SSPX and its preaching of doom and gloom, and bashing the magisterium, the pope, and "bad" Catholics, and perhaps worst of all, its causing Catholics to lose hope, which is a sin.
If I didn't think the SSPX was part of the Catholic Church, I wouldn't have anything to do with them. There isn't any choice between the Catholic Church and something else. There is only the Catholic Church. And yet, there is a huge problem here with your husband nearly losing his faith. |
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"And by experience we see that many persons who recite a great number of vocal prayers, the Office and the Rosary, fall into sin, and continue to live in sin. But he who attends to mental prayer scarcely ever falls into sin, and should he have the misfortune of ever falling into it, he will hardly continue to live in so miserable a state; he will either give up mental prayer, or renounce sin. Meditation and sin cannot stand together. However abandoned a soul may be, if she perseveres in meditation, God will bring her to salvation."
~ St. Alphonsus Ligouri
Dignities and Duties of the Priest (Brooklyn: Redemptorist Fathers, 1927). P. 292
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« Reply #71 on: February 09, 2012, 12:52:PM » |
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Jayne may be forced to make a choice: the Catholic Church and her husband's faith, or the SSPX and its preaching of doom and gloom, and bashing the magisterium, the pope, and "bad" Catholics, and perhaps worst of all, its causing Catholics to lose hope, which is a sin. You're factually incorrect. The Society of St. Pius X is part of the Catholic Church. Besides a rude mischaracterisation of the faithful apostolate of the Society's priests, you're setting up a false scenario. No Catholic has to chose or profess anything but what the faith already obliges him to do when attending their masses or when listening to their sermons: they preach the Catholic faith, pure and free from the modernist terms and concepts that have sadly rotten the faith of thousands and brought the Church to an unrecognisable state. They preach the faith you ought already to believe in by the very promises of your baptism. There's nothing to fear but the gospel truth that will change your life. Absolutely correct. In 5 years of assisting at FSSPX Mass I have never once heard a gloom and doom sermon. Just the truth and the this, the Faith preached in its fullest. |
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« Reply #72 on: February 09, 2012, 12:55:PM » |
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Pope Benedict does not act like the Society is out of the Church. Never one to stick my head in the sand, let's be truthful here. Pope Benedict doesn't act like anyone is outside of the Church, yet they are. |
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« Reply #73 on: February 09, 2012, 12:58:PM » |
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Jayne may be forced to make a choice: the Catholic Church and her husband's faith, or the SSPX and its preaching of doom and gloom, and bashing the magisterium, the pope, and "bad" Catholics, and perhaps worst of all, its causing Catholics to lose hope, which is a sin. You're factually incorrect. The Society of St. Pius X is part of the Catholic Church. Besides a rude mischaracterisation of the faithful apostolate of the Society's priests, you're setting up a false scenario. No Catholic has to chose or profess anything but what the faith already obliges him to do when attending their masses or when listening to their sermons: they preach the Catholic faith, pure and free from the modernist terms and concepts that have sadly rotten the faith of thousands and brought the Church to an unrecognisable state. They preach the faith you ought already to believe in by the very promises of your baptism. There's nothing to fear but the gospel truth that will change your life. Absolutely correct. In 5 years of assisting at FSSPX Mass I have never once heard a gloom and doom sermon. Just the truth and the this, the Faith preached in its fullest. I have found that there is a big difference between the sermons from the SSPX pulpit (at Mass), and their written and verbal communications outside of the pulpit, mostly from district superiors and bishops. I never once heard the pope bashed from the pulpit in an SSPX sermon, but definately there's been bashing from Bp. Fellay. Would you like an example? And regarding doom and gloom, we have plenty of examples of this from SSPX bishops. |
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"And by experience we see that many persons who recite a great number of vocal prayers, the Office and the Rosary, fall into sin, and continue to live in sin. But he who attends to mental prayer scarcely ever falls into sin, and should he have the misfortune of ever falling into it, he will hardly continue to live in so miserable a state; he will either give up mental prayer, or renounce sin. Meditation and sin cannot stand together. However abandoned a soul may be, if she perseveres in meditation, God will bring her to salvation."
~ St. Alphonsus Ligouri
Dignities and Duties of the Priest (Brooklyn: Redemptorist Fathers, 1927). P. 292
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« Reply #74 on: February 09, 2012, 01:00:PM » |
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Pope Benedict does not act like the Society is out of the Church. Never one to stick my head in the sand, let's be truthful here. Pope Benedict doesn't act like anyone is outside of the Church, yet they are. Well this time he is right.  |
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ADORABLE Saviour, consider my many wants, and grant me those graces which Thou knowest I stand in need of to do Thy will in all things.
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« Reply #75 on: February 09, 2012, 01:01:PM » |
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Pope Benedict does not act like the Society is out of the Church. Never one to stick my head in the sand, let's be truthful here. Pope Benedict doesn't act like anyone is outside of the Church, yet they are. Be that as it may, the SSPX is within the Church. The PCED, whenever is discusses the Society's irregular canonical status, says it is "an internal Church matter" And, one may fulfill his Catholic holyday obligation at an SSPX Mass. Within the Church. |
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« Reply #76 on: February 09, 2012, 01:05:PM » |
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And yet, there is a huge problem here with your husband nearly losing his faith.
Yes, there is a problem and I would appreciate people's prayers for him. I do not appreciate his problems being used as an opportunity to criticize the SSPX. |
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ADORABLE Saviour, consider my many wants, and grant me those graces which Thou knowest I stand in need of to do Thy will in all things.
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« Reply #77 on: February 09, 2012, 01:05:PM » |
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I have found that there is a big difference between the sermons from the SSPX pulpit (at Mass), and their written and verbal communications outside of the pulpit, mostly from district superiors and bishops. I never once heard the pope bashed from the pulpit in an SSPX sermon, but definately there's been bashing from Bp. Fellay. Would you like an example? And regarding doom and gloom, we have plenty of examples of this from SSPX bishops. 1. Pointing out the errors of the Pope is not "bashing" him but rather an act of supreme spiritual charity for his and the Church's sake; 2. "Doom and gloom" doesn't mean anything concrete and cannot be construed as a legitimate critique. Many hard sayings of Jesus are called "doom and gloom" by the faint of heart and yet they remain true and pristine. |
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"THE LORD is my light and my salvation, whom shall I fear? The Lord is the protector of my life: of whom shall I be afraid?" (Psalm 26:1)
"And we, too, being called by His will in Christ Jesus, are not justified by ourselves, nor by our own wisdom, or understanding, or godliness, or works which we have wrought in holiness of heart; but by that faith through which, from the beginning, Almighty God has justified all men; to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen." — Clement, bishop of Rome
"I love truth," says he, "and not sects. I am sometimes a peripatetic, a stoic, or an academician, and often none of them; but—always a Christian. To philosophise is to love wisdom; and the true wisdom is Jesus Christ. Let us read the historians, the poets, and the philosophers; but let us have in our hearts the gospel of Jesus Christ, in which alone is perfect wisdom and perfect happiness." — Petrarch
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« Reply #78 on: February 09, 2012, 01:08:PM » |
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Pope Benedict does not act like the Society is out of the Church. Never one to stick my head in the sand, let's be truthful here. Pope Benedict doesn't act like anyone is outside of the Church, yet they are. Well this time he is right. What is your definition of "Church"? |
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« Reply #79 on: February 09, 2012, 01:14:PM » |
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What is your definition of "Church"?
To be in the Church, people must have right teaching, valid Sacraments and communion with the Pope. The SSPX teaches what the Church has always taught, has intrinsically valid Sacraments and acknowledges the Pope as earthly head of the Church. |
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