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« on: February 12, 2012, 01:56:PM »

DEADLY  ANGELISM
Discerning what made T.S.Eliot (1888-1965) "indisputably the greatest poet writing in English in the 20th century", a conservative English writer of our own day, Roger Scruton, has some interesting things to suggest to Catholics hanging on to their Faith by their fingertips in these early years of the 21st century – briefly, in the pain is the solution !  If we are being crucified by the world around us, that is the Cross we are meant to be carrying.

Eliot was in poetry an arch-modernist. As Scruton says, "He overthrew the 19th century in literature and inaugurated the age of free verse, alienation and experiment." One may well question whether Eliot's final combination of high culture and Anglicanism is a sufficient solution to the problems he was tackling, but who can deny that with his famous poem, the "Waste Land" of 1922, he blazed the trail for contemporary English poetry ?  The enormous influence of his poems demonstrated at least that Eliot had his finger on the pulse of the times. He is a modern man, and he tackled head on the problem of modern times, summed up by Scruton as "fragmentation, heresy and unbelief".

However, the "Waste Land" could not be the masterpiece that it is if it did not make some sense out of the chaos. It is in fact a brilliant portrait in a mere 434 lines of the shattered European "civilisation" that emerged from the ruins of World War I (1914 -1918). And how did Eliot manage to do that ?  Because as Scruton says, Eliot the arch-modernist was also an arch-conservative. Eliot had soaked himself in the great poets of the past, notably Dante and Shakespeare, but also in more modern masters such as Baudelaire and Wagner, and it is clear from the "Waste Land" that it is Eliot's grasp of the order of the past that enabled him to get a handle on the disorder of the present.

Scruton comments that if then Eliot blew away the great romantic tradition of 19th century English poetry, it is because that romanticism no longer corresponded to the reality of his age. "He believed that his contemporaries' use of worn-out poetic diction and lilting rhythms betrayed a serious moral weakness: a failure to observe life as it really is, a failure to feel what must be felt towards the experience that is inescapably ours. And this failure is not confined, Eliot believed, to literature, but runs through the whole of modern life."  The search for a new literary idiom on Eliot's part was therefore part of a larger search – "for the reality of modern experience."

Now have we not seen, and do we not see, the same "serious moral weakness" inside the Church ?  One may call "Fiftiesism" that weakness of the Church of the 1950's which was the direct father of the disaster of Vatican II in the 1960's. What was it if not a refusal to look squarely at the modern world for what it is ?  A pretence that everything was nice, and everybody was nice ?  A pretence that if I just wrap myself up in an angelist sentimentality, then the problems of the Church in the Revolutionary world will just float away ?  And what is now the pretence that Rome really wants Catholic Tradition if not the same essential refusal of modern reality?  As Eliot taught us that sentimentality is the death of true poetry, so Archbishop Lefebvre showed us that it is the death of true Catholicism. The arch-conservative Archbishop was the truest of modern Catholics.

Catholics, today's reality may be crucifying us in any one of its many corrupt ways, but rejoice, again, says St Paul, rejoice, because in our own acceptance of our modern Cross today is our only salvation, and the only future for Catholicism

Kyrie eleison.
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« Reply #1 on: February 12, 2012, 02:16:PM »

 Way to go!
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"Nothing is more miserable than those people who never failed to attack their own salvation. When there was need to observe the Law, they trampled it under foot. Now that the Law has ceased to bind, they obstinately strive to observe it. What could be more pitiable that those who provoke God not only by transgressing the Law but also by keeping it? But at any rate the Jews say that they, too, adore God. God forbid that I say that. No Jew adores God! Who say so? The Son of God say so. For he said: "If you were to know my Father, you would also know me. But you neither know me nor do you know my Father". Could I produce a witness more trustworthy than the Son of God?"  St. John Chrysostom Sunday Homily
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« Reply #2 on: February 12, 2012, 06:15:PM »

I'm kind of surprised that Bishop Williamson appreciates Eliot.
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« Reply #3 on: February 12, 2012, 07:32:PM »

 Is he saying that seeking recognition from Rome is mere sentimentality?
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« Reply #4 on: February 12, 2012, 11:32:PM »

Is he saying that seeking recognition from Rome is mere sentimentality?

He's saying that mere "smells and bells" traditionalism is not going to bear good fruit, if you pay attention only to the externals and traditional Catholicism does not have the accompanying zeal and love for God that it was designed for. 

If  someone is a "trad" merely because it is a sensible way to order your life and a peaceful society, that is "50s" Catholicism.  50s Catholicism is what gave us Vatican II because the Church was a victim of its own success to a degree and the proof in the pudding is that people were missing something because they weren't in large numbers missing the traditions of the Church and they certainly weren't except in a very few cases willing to fight to retain them.

If Rome simply "gives the traditionalist baby its bottle"  and there is no actual concrete work done to reverse the errors of "Vatican II" whether it be text, spirit or implementation, then it will have all been for nothing. 

Bishop Williamson has said before that he doesn't believe it is possible, but if the development of the Novus Ordo or some new rite were actually a better expression of the Catholic faith and inspired a truly Catholic zeal, then, there would have been no issue with the introduction of a new rite.  (Again, he stated that he didn't think it possible that a committee of men would be capable of doing that, but for the sake of clarifying the essence of the conflict he used that example) 
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« Reply #5 on: February 12, 2012, 11:49:PM »

I haven't received Bishop Williamson's column since mid-January. Does anyone know what gives?
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« Reply #6 on: February 13, 2012, 11:24:PM »

Catholics, today's reality may be crucifying us in any one of its many corrupt ways, but rejoice, again, says St Paul, rejoice, because in our own acceptance of our modern Cross today is our only salvation, and the only future for Catholicism

Kyrie eleison.

I appreciate how he often reminds us of this.  I find it consoling.
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« Reply #7 on: February 14, 2012, 09:40:AM »

I haven't received Bishop Williamson's column since mid-January. Does anyone know what gives?

Maybe you should re-register.  If a spreadsheet program was used at some point to transfer the e-mail list, maybe your address was accidentally dropped.
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« Reply #8 on: February 14, 2012, 09:45:AM »

Nice read.
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« Reply #9 on: February 14, 2012, 10:50:AM »

I appreciate Eliot's poetry, especially his later verse, where it seems he viewed the return to Christ as the answer to the problems of modernism he so eloquently presented in "Wasteland," "Hollow Men," and "Love Song of J. Alfred Prufrock."  "Ash Wednesday" is a great poem, as is "Journey of the Magi."  "The Four Quartets" is also fantastic.

Here is the end of "Ash Wednesday":

Blessed sister, holy mother, spirit of the fountain, spirit of the garden,
Suffer us not to mock ourselves with falsehood
Teach us to care and not to care
Teach us to sit still
Even among these rocks,
Our peace in His will
And even among these rocks
Sister, mother
And spirit of the river, spirit of the sea,
Suffer me not to be separated

And let my cry come unto Thee.
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