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« Reply #1 on: February 14, 2012, 08:55:AM » |
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Russia's error, spread around the world, is that government intervention will make things better. It doesn't. It makes things worse. Putin is still applying those erroneous principles.
That being said, I'm willing to do my part populating Mother Russia.
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« Reply #2 on: February 14, 2012, 09:53:AM » |
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Government is not inherently evil. I believe that's an error of the Enlightenment. One of the major errors of Russia is secular government; there are few things worse.
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« Reply #3 on: February 14, 2012, 09:56:AM » |
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Government is not inherently evil. I believe that's an error of the Enlightenment. One of the major errors of Russia is secular government; there are few things worse.
THIS. That is the problem with libertarianism, another error of liberalism. It put the individual about the community. And before we condemn Russia we have the same problems they do. |
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« Reply #4 on: February 14, 2012, 09:59:AM » |
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The "errors of Russia" are simply put the spread of Marxism, which manifests itself on many planes not just the political.
Saying that heaven intervened on behalf of libertarianism - "less government, more freedom" - is ridiculous.
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"THE LORD is my light and my salvation, whom shall I fear? The Lord is the protector of my life: of whom shall I be afraid?" (Psalm 26:1)
"And we, too, being called by His will in Christ Jesus, are not justified by ourselves, nor by our own wisdom, or understanding, or godliness, or works which we have wrought in holiness of heart; but by that faith through which, from the beginning, Almighty God has justified all men; to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen." — Clement, bishop of Rome
"I love truth," says he, "and not sects. I am sometimes a peripatetic, a stoic, or an academician, and often none of them; but—always a Christian. To philosophise is to love wisdom; and the true wisdom is Jesus Christ. Let us read the historians, the poets, and the philosophers; but let us have in our hearts the gospel of Jesus Christ, in which alone is perfect wisdom and perfect happiness." — Petrarch
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PeterII
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« Reply #5 on: February 14, 2012, 10:33:AM » |
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Government is not inherently evil. I believe that's an error of the Enlightenment. One of the major errors of Russia is secular government; there are few things worse.
THIS. That is the problem with libertarianism, another error of liberalism. It put the individual about the community. And before we condemn Russia we have the same problems they do. The problem here is the idolatry of central planning. An individual who doesn't coerce others is not a problem to the community. By what authority can a government coerce individuals? Who put them in charge? A community that doesn't protect the individual is useless. |
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« Reply #6 on: February 14, 2012, 10:35:AM » |
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By what authority can a government coerce individuals? God's. Who put them in charge? God. |
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"THE LORD is my light and my salvation, whom shall I fear? The Lord is the protector of my life: of whom shall I be afraid?" (Psalm 26:1)
"And we, too, being called by His will in Christ Jesus, are not justified by ourselves, nor by our own wisdom, or understanding, or godliness, or works which we have wrought in holiness of heart; but by that faith through which, from the beginning, Almighty God has justified all men; to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen." — Clement, bishop of Rome
"I love truth," says he, "and not sects. I am sometimes a peripatetic, a stoic, or an academician, and often none of them; but—always a Christian. To philosophise is to love wisdom; and the true wisdom is Jesus Christ. Let us read the historians, the poets, and the philosophers; but let us have in our hearts the gospel of Jesus Christ, in which alone is perfect wisdom and perfect happiness." — Petrarch
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« Reply #7 on: February 14, 2012, 10:37:AM » |
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Government is not inherently evil. I believe that's an error of the Enlightenment. One of the major errors of Russia is secular government; there are few things worse.
THIS. That is the problem with libertarianism, another error of liberalism. It put the individual about the community. And before we condemn Russia we have the same problems they do. The problem here is the idolatry of central planning. An individual who doesn't coerce others is not a problem to the community. By what authority can a government coerce individuals? Who put them in charge? A community that doesn't protect the individual is useless. Well, St. Paul tells us that all those in authority are granted that authority from God, and that exercise of that authority is justified so long as it does not contradict the higher authority. Individual freedoms are valuable only in so far as they make individuals free to serve God, and to act with truth and virtue. There are no "rights" that man deserves beside to worship God and practice virtue. |
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The Church is intolerant in principle because she believes;
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« Reply #8 on: February 14, 2012, 10:37:AM » |
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The problem here is the idolatry of central planning. An individual who doesn't coerce others is not a problem to the community. By what authority can a government coerce individuals? Who put them in charge? A community that doesn't protect the individual is useless.
But see you have fallen for the very same idolatry of Marxism (another offshoot of liberalism). "Man's role is to do what he wants and overcome Nature!" The Community is a lot more important than the individual. China, has grown more rapidly than any country on earth and it is built on autocracy and mercantilism. |
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« Reply #9 on: February 14, 2012, 10:38:AM » |
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The "errors of Russia" are simply put the spread of Marxism, which manifests itself on many planes not just the political.
Saying that heaven intervened on behalf of libertarianism - "less government, more freedom" - is ridiculous.
But then you're contradicting yourself by saying the "errors of Russia" is the spread of Marxism, which is: more government, less freedom. |
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