Traditionalism in France

[The_Harlequin_King]

French trads were charming to look at, but I didn't talk at length with any of them.

[Vetus Ordo]

Is there a viable candidate for king of France?  I know that there are those who can make a claim, whether Bourbon or Bonaparte, but is there a solid one to be made?

Louis Alphonse is the legitimist pretender, and there's Henri d'Orléans, the Orléanist (and Unionist) pretender.

Louis has the strongest claim.

[Aragon]

Why do you hope "it's not true"?

Traditional Catholicism in Europe has a strong political basis because politics are not divorced from religion, as the history of Christendom proves. It's only in the Anglosphere, given its recent Protestant history, that Catholicism is politically emasculated.

What I mean is that I hope people's reasons for being a traditionalist Catholic go deeper than having a fetish for the grandeur of the Bourbon monarchy and dislike of foreigners. I have no problem with Catholics seeking to re-establish the social reign of Christ the King.

There are no fetishes involved.

The "grandeur of the Bourbon monarchy" is inexorably linked with the social reign of Christ the King. These things aren't really separate when it comes to Catholic countries such as France. The same phenomenon happens in Spain, Portugal and even Italy.

As for the dislike of foreigners, you must realise that France has a huge problem concerning Muslim immigration, so these reactions are inevitable. And I'd say that all great nations dislike or are suspicious of foreigners in one way or another. It's a natural human instinct.

All valid.

I still say that if a group doesn't want brown people, I'd like to know ahead of time so I don't go there.  Sociological analysis of the inevitability of their reaction can be conducted apart from this.

I wouldn't worry too much. Now I think about it St. Nicholas du Chardonnet had a very noticeable number of black people attending Mass. One of the priests was black as well.

[jovan66102]

Henri d'Orléans, the Orléanist (and Unionist) pretender.

Descended from Freemasons, revolutionaries, a regicide and an usurper!

Vive le Très haut, très puissant et très excellent Prince, Louis XX, Par la grâce de Dieu, Roi de France et de Navarre, Roi Très-chrétien!

[Parmandur]

Is there a viable candidate for king of France?  I know that there are those who can make a claim, whether Bourbon or Bonaparte, but is there a solid one to be made?

Louis Alphonse is the legitimist pretender, and there's Henri d'Orléans, the Orléanist (and Unionist) pretender.

Louis has the strongest claim.

What are the odds that, short of cataclysmic Great Monarch stuff, that claim could be recognized?

[Phillipus Iacobus]

Henri d'Orléans, the Orléanist (and Unionist) pretender.

Descended from Freemasons, revolutionaries, a regicide and an usurper!

Vive le Très haut, très puissant et très excellent Prince, Louis XX, Par la grâce de Dieu, Roi de France et de Navarre, Roi Très-chrétien!

Exactement

[Vetus Ordo]

Is there a viable candidate for king of France?  I know that there are those who can make a claim, whether Bourbon or Bonaparte, but is there a solid one to be made?

Louis Alphonse is the legitimist pretender, and there's Henri d'Orléans, the Orléanist (and Unionist) pretender.

Louis has the strongest claim.

What are the odds that, short of cataclysmic Great Monarch stuff, that claim could be recognized?

It depends on many factors and the political future of the European Union in the next 10 to 30 years.

I believe revolutions of some sort will occur in the continent sooner rather than later. Once these putrid republics are destroyed, a new political power can emerge and that is when trads must be prepared to intervene with efficiency and resolve. I think they are reasonably prepared in France, or close to it. In the rest of Europe, there's still a lot of work to be done.

[Phillipus Iacobus]

If Vetus is right and it's soon, I'm down to move to France.

[Aragon]

Is there a viable candidate for king of France?  I know that there are those who can make a claim, whether Bourbon or Bonaparte, but is there a solid one to be made?

Louis Alphonse is the legitimist pretender, and there's Henri d'Orléans, the Orléanist (and Unionist) pretender.

Louis has the strongest claim.

What are the odds that, short of cataclysmic Great Monarch stuff, that claim could be recognized?

It depends on many factors and the political future of the European Union in the next 10 to 30 years.

I believe revolutions of some sort will occur in the continent sooner rather than later. Once these putrid republics are destroyed, a new political power can emerge and that is when trads must be prepared to intervene with efficiency and resolve. I think they are reasonably prepared in France, or close to it. In the rest of Europe, there's still a lot of work to be done.

How do you envision this emerging political power to be sustained given that the vast majority of Frenchmen are secular? Even if Traditionalism is flourishing in France they still only make up something like 2% of the population.

[Vetus Ordo]

How do you envision this emerging political power to be sustained given that the vast majority of Frenchmen are secular? Even if Traditionalism is flourishing in France they still only make up something like 2% of the population.

Yes but a religious revival is likely to ensue in the West, especially as materialism and liberalism start (slowly) dying out. We expect a great majority of mainstream Catholics to wake up in the next few decades and broaden the scope, since the Church herself will be in better shape. We can envision some likely scenarios.

1. After the political and economical collapse of the current states, the social revolutions will be bloody and dreadful with lots of personal vendettas, killings, rioting, pillaging and lawlessness;
2. Disorder and crime wears all people down and a great deal of Frenchmen, even the moderates and the undecided, will naturally flock to a strong authoritative response that restores order and who is rooted in the country's glorious past, invested with a moral authority that no republic or parliament can ever claim;
3. The moral bankrputcy of the democratic regimes that caused the collapse and chaos will make the remaining secularist voices irrelevant and discredited.
4. Finally, keep in mind that it's the politically engaged minorities that change the course of nations and history. The majority just follows along like sheep.