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Author Topic: Has the Church ever discouraged reading the Bible?  (Read 1133 times)
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« on: February 17, 2012, 08:41:PM »

Not saying it has... but how would you reply to this Protestant claim?  Huh?
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« Reply #1 on: February 17, 2012, 08:48:PM »

I wouldn't.  I'd shout, "The power of Christ compels you!!!" and then fling holy water in their face.  This usually causes them to hiss and pull their capes over their faces.  Works every time.

The burden is on them to provide proof, which they can't.  People couldn't walk down to the Wal Mart in the Middle Ages and buy a gold embossed faux leather cover bible for $9.99 and even if they could they wouldn't have because chances are they couldn't read. 

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« Reply #2 on: February 17, 2012, 08:50:PM »

What was the first book ever published with a printing press?  

Why were 17 versions of Bible in the vernacular approved by the Church and printed before Martin Luther?

What the Church does not allow is people to offer interpretations that contradict the teachings of Church.  
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« Reply #3 on: February 17, 2012, 09:04:PM »

You could say that there have been indulgences offered by Popes for devout reading of the Bible. Oh, wait, bad idea...never mind.
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« Reply #4 on: February 17, 2012, 09:34:PM »

Not saying it has... but how would you reply to this Protestant claim?  Huh?

The Church has taught truth, handed down to us through the Apostles from Christ, God Himself.

So, the Church did, and does, teach against reading the scriptures in the mistaken belief that the "church" is personal interpretation of scripture.

I wouldn't meet the Protestants on any terms though...they move around and are theologically inconsistent.
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« Reply #5 on: February 17, 2012, 10:27:PM »

My cradle Catholic parents, age 72 and 66, have stated that they were discouraged from reading the bible.   Whether this is true or whether they are mixing up what Ptostentants have repeat ad nauseum, I don't know.
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« Reply #6 on: February 17, 2012, 10:51:PM »





Pius XII's DIVINO AFFLANTE SPIRITU
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9. Nor should We fail to mention here how earnestly these same Our Predecessors, when the opportunity occurred, recommended the study or preaching or in fine the pious reading and meditation on the Sacred Scriptures. Pius X most heartily commended the society of St. Jerome, which strives to promote among the faithful - and to facilitate with all its power - the truly praiseworthy custom of reading and meditating on the holy Gospels; he exhorted them to persevere in the enterprise they had begun, proclaiming it "a most useful undertaking, as well as most suited to the times," seeing that it helps in no small way "to dissipate the idea that the Church is opposed to or in any way impedes the reading of the Scriptures in the vernacular."[20] And Benedict XV, on the occasion of the fifteenth centenary of the death of St. Jerome, the greatest Doctor of the Sacred Scriptures, after having most solemnly inculcated the precepts and examples of the same Doctor, as well as the principles and rules laid down by Leo XIII and by himself, and having recommended other things highly opportune and never to be forgotten in this connection, exhorted "all the children of the Church, especially clerics, to reverence the Holy Scripture, to read it piously and meditate it constantly"; he reminded them "that in these pages is to be sought that food, by which the spiritual life is nourished unto perfection," and "that the chief use of Scripture pertains to the holy and fruitful exercise of the ministry of preaching"; he likewise once again expressed his warm approval of the work of the society called after St. Jerome himself, by means of which the Gospels and Acts of the Apostles are being so widely diffused, "that there is no Christian family any more without them and that all are accustomed to read and meditate them daily."

My cradle Catholic parents, age 72 and 66, have stated that they were discouraged from reading the bible.   Whether this is true or whether they are mixing up what Ptostentants have repeat ad nauseum, I don't know.

It is true that "back in the day" Catholics weren't exactly encouraged to read the bible at the parish level, except for the readings in the Missal or as included in Catholic devotional works.  I've seen some sources that indicated that Catholics shouldn't read the bible on their own but only as part of a study conducted by a priest.  These were always local injunctions, not official Church policy.  It was probable a part of the Counter Reformation culture and grew from a concern over "private interpretation" that was so rampant in protestantism.
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« Reply #7 on: February 18, 2012, 12:27:AM »

What the Church does not allow is people to offer interpretations that contradict the teachings of Church.  

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« Reply #8 on: February 18, 2012, 09:56:AM »

Not saying it has... but how would you reply to this Protestant claim?  Huh?

You have to give historical and doctrinal context. There were statements, universal and regional, which seemed to support a discouragement, either in the form of not having copies of Scripture, or not having the vernacular available. The historical context would show the situations of the time, the demands of the people themselves, and the actual conditions of the people's knowledge. The doctrinal context would show some heresy or error of the time which necessitated the actions, or provided a basis.

All this assumes that Scripture is necessary. Granted it is great, and highly praiseworthy, but not necessary. The Church is living. If the Bible went away for some reason, our Faith would be wholly in tact and our doctrines would all be sound. For Protestants, they have only the BIble, and not living voice. While we could lament some of the decisions in the past, we would still need to assert that the voice of the Church is a living voice through the Holy Ghost. The Bible is only one way to hear the voice. The essential voice is the preaching of Her ministers.
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« Reply #9 on: February 18, 2012, 11:04:AM »

In my limited time, I can't remember it being forbidden, nor was it encouraged. The DR is a good example, it's painful to read. It came as a bit of a shock that in Catholic High School we were required to get a St. Joseph's textbook Bible. My family thought it might be a bit lofty, and risky for teenagers to read in school.

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