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LoneWolfRadTrad
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« Reply #30 on: March 15, 2012, 08:15:PM »
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I was thinking more along the lines of dating, then marrying after her conversion.

Trouble is she might "convert" just to keep you happy.  It happens.

An insincere conversion is almost worse than no conversion.

It's what ended my first serious relationship.  She said she would.  I knew well enough, she wouldn't.
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When you go up to receive communion, you're literally at the foot of the cross.  Standing at all creation's center, the saints gather around.  Martyrs, heroes staring into your very being.  They lived AND died for Christ... can we say the same of ourselves?  What are WE doing to further God's will in this life?  Skipping Mass for our careers?  Our education?  Voting for heads of state, that don't recognize the source of all authority and power?  They won't matter on your deathbed (or whatever end we meet). 

So... why waste time with this modern world's nonsense?  We have our own civilization: CHRISTENDOM.  We must restore it whilst the modern world commits societal suicide. 

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« Reply #31 on: March 15, 2012, 08:28:PM »
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An insincere conversion is almost worse than no conversion.

Could you expand on this? I'm also interested in what others have to say on this topic.
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ggreg
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« Reply #32 on: March 15, 2012, 08:59:PM »
A lot of girls just want to get married when the old tickerty tock tells them to.

If they "convert" just to keep you sweet then they already feel they have done what you wanted.  There is little incentive to grow in their faith.  They will have the same laxity and lukewarmness as cradle catholics who see their Catholicism as like more than a family culture.

 They will plod along to mass with you because they would rather do that than hang around in the house or apartment alone or with children.  Religion helps give a nice conservative sheen to their lives, gives them some natural authority over their children and some confidence that you are not going to run off with the secretary from work, (as many men do).

It is actually pretty easy to be a Sunday catholic.  Very hard to motivate them to move on from that position.
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LoneWolfRadTrad
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« Reply #33 on: March 15, 2012, 09:09:PM »
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An insincere conversion is almost worse than no conversion.

Could you expand on this? I'm also interested in what others have to say on this topic.

Because, it'll fool the Catholic party into marriage, and once married, you're stuck with that person.  And having children with a non-Catholic is probably a sure way to end up with non-Catholic children.
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When you go up to receive communion, you're literally at the foot of the cross.  Standing at all creation's center, the saints gather around.  Martyrs, heroes staring into your very being.  They lived AND died for Christ... can we say the same of ourselves?  What are WE doing to further God's will in this life?  Skipping Mass for our careers?  Our education?  Voting for heads of state, that don't recognize the source of all authority and power?  They won't matter on your deathbed (or whatever end we meet). 

So... why waste time with this modern world's nonsense?  We have our own civilization: CHRISTENDOM.  We must restore it whilst the modern world commits societal suicide. 

Its naive and idealistic to believe government for man by man can succeed.  Restore Christendom in our hearts and homes!  Communities aren't that far off, its a numbers game.

"Accursed is the man that puts his trust in man" Book of Jeremiah Chapter XVII, verse 5.
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« Reply #34 on: March 15, 2012, 09:19:PM »
Then again, being a weirdo who hates fun in the name of Catholicism is also probably a good way to have non-Catholic children.
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« Reply #35 on: March 15, 2012, 09:21:PM »
Or no children because no woman is crazy enough to marry you.
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« Reply #36 on: March 16, 2012, 12:46:AM »
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A lot of girls just want to get married when the old tickerty tock tells them to.

If they "convert" just to keep you sweet then they already feel they have done what you wanted.  There is little incentive to grow in their faith.  They will have the same laxity and lukewarmness as cradle catholics who see their Catholicism as like more than a family culture.

 They will plod along to mass with you because they would rather do that than hang around in the house or apartment alone or with children.  Religion helps give a nice conservative sheen to their lives, gives them some natural authority over their children and some confidence that you are not going to run off with the secretary from work, (as many men do).

It is actually pretty easy to be a Sunday catholic.  Very hard to motivate them to move on from that position.

While all true, it is equally true that I have observed people who converted for such reasons and became some of the best Catholics ever.  All of life is a risk.
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« Reply #37 on: March 16, 2012, 04:08:AM »
It is not equally true. The risk is much greater if you marry a non catholic
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« Reply #38 on: March 16, 2012, 06:59:AM »
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I was seeing a non-Catholic girl over December and January. I told her that we couldn't continue dating because our beliefs were too different. And I said we could be friends. She shot back defensively that she was never interested in me as a friend and never would be. I was like, "so you just want my body?" Man, I must have an awful personality if girls just want to have sex with me and nothing else! It's an odd 'role reversal' out there for Catholic men dating non-Catholic women, since they're the ones after sex, and we're the ones after love.

Strangely this has never happened to me.

It seems a little strange to me that, you will not marry a non-traditional Catholic, but you will have sex (outside of marriage) with her?Huh?
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« Reply #39 on: March 16, 2012, 09:52:AM »
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I was seeing a non-Catholic girl over December and January. I told her that we couldn't continue dating because our beliefs were too different. And I said we could be friends. She shot back defensively that she was never interested in me as a friend and never would be. I was like, "so you just want my body?" Man, I must have an awful personality if girls just want to have sex with me and nothing else! It's an odd 'role reversal' out there for Catholic men dating non-Catholic women, since they're the ones after sex, and we're the ones after love.

Strangely this has never happened to me.

It seems a little strange to me that, you will not marry a non-traditional Catholic, but you will have sex (outside of marriage) with her?Huh?

No, I meant "girls just want to have sex with me and nothing else".  That has never happened to me.
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