RON PAUL IS THE CHOICE OF THE TROOPS

[Habitual_Ritual]

Look at it this way.  If I said, CONTRACEPTION IS THE CHOICE OF CATHOLICS.  You'd say hell no.  But this poll shows that the majority of Catholics support Obama's policy. 

Actually I wouldn't say "hell no" .It's patently obvious that most Catholics are contracepting these days so the comparison doesn't hold up.

[Guardian]

Look at it this way.  If I said, CONTRACEPTION IS THE CHOICE OF CATHOLICS.  You'd say hell no.  But this poll shows that the majority of Catholics support Obama's policy. 

Actually I wouldn't say "hell no" .It's patently obvious that most Catholics are contracepting these days so the comparison doesn't hold up.

And its obvious that some troops support Ron Paul.  The comparison is NOT that contraception or support for Ron Paul happens.  Rather that in both cases the statement: "....IS THE CHOICE OF" is meant to speak for the entire demographic.

As a Catholic you don't support contraception.  As a member of the military I don't support Ron Paul. 

[Pilgrim]

The U.S. has almost 3 million active duty and reserve troops.  You're willing to argue that because RP gained a paltry $113,000 over a 9 month period, (months before the first state even voted) that he is the choice of the troops?

I am not here to argue that RP hasn't raised more money from troops than other candidates.  But rather, that the statement is a misrepresentation and gross generalization.

It would be interesting to see what soldiers are actually donating to the cause.  Is Paul supported by the rank and file (who, frankly, don't have much money to donate) or by the officer corps?

[Walty]

The U.S. has almost 3 million active duty and reserve troops.  You're willing to argue that because RP gained a paltry $113,000 over a 9 month period, (months before the first state even voted) that he is the choice of the troops?

I am not here to argue that RP hasn't raised more money from troops than other candidates.  But rather, that the statement is a misrepresentation and gross generalization.

Look at it this way.  If I said, CONTRACEPTION IS THE CHOICE OF CATHOLICS.  You'd say hell no.  But this poll shows that the majority of Catholics support Obama's policy.  http://thehill.com/blogs/healthwatch/health-reform-implementation/210117-poll-catholics-support-new-contraception-policy

Except that this is a bad analogy, given that Catholics follow Rome which has an official stance.  The men in the military have no official stance, nor is there any official stance of how military men ought to feel about the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.  The government and military itself have a stance, but the military is not a religion that the active service have to follow in order to be orthodox and thus fully a part of the military.

Look, man.  If the vast majority of money from active service military is going to Ron Paul, it would appear that he's the most popular amongst active duty military, especially since he ABSOLUTELY KILLS the other Republicans.

I've provided some pretty compelling evidence that RP is, in fact, the most popular nominee amongst the military.  If you think that's false then provide some other evidence.  Saying something is so doesn't make it true.

[Guardian]

The numbers you provided are from January-September 2011.  A 9 month span when frankly the average voter wasn't tuned in to the upcoming election.  Paul has an incredible ground game that he's been cultivating since 2008.  The only other candidate that could match that is Romney.  (Santorum was polling around 1-5% a year ago, and essentially a non-factor) 

Even then from the numbers you've provided we're only talking about $100,000.  Out of 3,000,000 troops, if each donation was $1, that would only be 3% of the military.  But what if 2 people donated $50,000 each? Would Ron Paul then still be the "most popular among military members then?"

Walty, I am not arguing that RP hasn't raised more from the military than other candidates.  I'm merely trying to point out the weakness in the argument and the fact that you can't make generalizations.  Anyway, you said it yourself, the military doesn't have an official stance. 

Take this for what its worth.  Unbiasedly, from what I've witnessed Paul's support is moderate at best.  No stats, no numbers, just from what I've seen.  It will mean nothing to you but I can assure you, Ron Paul is not "the choice of the troops."

[Traditional Guy]

Except that this is a bad analogy, given that Catholics follow Rome which has an official stance.  The men in the military have no official stance, nor is there any official stance of how military men ought to feel about the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.  The government and military itself have a stance, but the military is not a religion that the active service have to follow in order to be orthodox and thus fully a part of the military.

Look, man.  If the vast majority of money from active service military is going to Ron Paul, it would appear that he's the most popular amongst active duty military, especially since he ABSOLUTELY KILLS the other Republicans.

I've provided some pretty compelling evidence that RP is, in fact, the most popular nominee amongst the military.  If you think that's false then provide some other evidence.  Saying something is so doesn't make it true.

I think our troops see exactly what is going on with these wars. Why is there a double spin? If the war is necessary why such a falsehood?

Ron Paul tells it exactly like it is.

"It's (Iraq) unconstitutional! It's an undeclared war!"

"If we want to go to war and we do go to war the Congress should declare it, fight it, and win it. We don't go to war like we did in Vietnam because the wars never end."

[Neo-Floriano]

The war issues aside, Ron Paul doesn't support the military. He's made it clear in his books which call for a dramatic downsizing and even remarking that the entire U.S. military could be downsized to only a few nuclear-warhead missile submarines (How is nuclear war just, by the way?). I doubt these Ron Paul voters would be kind enough to provide 3,000,000 troops with good-paying steady employment.

[Traditional Guy]

The war issues aside, Ron Paul doesn't support the military.

Ron Paul just recently called Obama out for cutting veterans' benefits while increasing government workers' benefits.

http://www.ronpaul2012.com/2012/02/28/ron-paul-issues-statement-on-obama%e2%80%99s-proposed-tricare-cuts/

One can support the military without supporting the wars they fight.

[Habitual_Ritual]

The war issues aside, Ron Paul doesn't support the military. He's made it clear in his books which call for a dramatic downsizing and even remarking that the entire U.S. military could be downsized to only a few nuclear-warhead missile submarines (How is nuclear war just, by the way?). I doubt these Ron Paul voters would be kind enough to provide 3,000,000 troops with good-paying steady employment.

Like I said....Red Neck welfare.

Why pay for 3000 000 troops if you only actually need 1000 000 to defend the homeland from the homeland?  And of course it is the "War issues" that have us at the point we are with a bloated military spread across the face of the Earth. What was it Our Lady said about War again at Fatima?

[Neo-Floriano]

The war issues aside, Ron Paul doesn't support the military. He's made it clear in his books which call for a dramatic downsizing and even remarking that the entire U.S. military could be downsized to only a few nuclear-warhead missile submarines (How is nuclear war just, by the way?). I doubt these Ron Paul voters would be kind enough to provide 3,000,000 troops with good-paying steady employment.

Like I said....Red Neck welfare.

Why pay for 3000 000 troops if you only actually need 1000 000 to defend the homeland from the homeland?  And of course it is the "War issues" that have us at the point we are with a bloated military spread across the face of the Earth. What was it Our Lady said about War again at Fatima?

I'm not a XXXX but many of my comrades are. They're generally nice people and don't deserve the scorn they receive. Why do you think that providing people with gainful employment is welfare? Let's take a drive through the urban blight of NYC or LA and I can show you what welfare really is. I disagree with your point about troop strength; it's a matter of opinion. I don't see what Ron Paul has to do with Fatima.