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« Reply #30 on: February 29, 2012, 09:22:AM » |
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Well, hermits are giving up earthly happiness to focus solely on God. One might also say that hermits have a particular gift or calling, but as St. Paul emphasized, all gifts come from God and they are still members of the Body of Christ.
Aristotle wrote that a man without a polis "is either a beast or a god.". The Greeks tended to believe the former. However, I think that Christianity flips it, as both Scripture and the experiences of the Church Fathers praise solitude. |
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"And so, Lord, do you, who do give understanding to faith, give me, so far as you knowest it to be profitable, to understand that you are as we believe; and that you are that which we believe." -- St. Anselm of Canterbury (1033-1109)
"But Christianity preaches an obviously unattractive idea, such as original sin; but when we wait for its results, they are pathos and brotherhood, and a thunder of laughter and pity; for only with original sin we can at once pity the beggar and distrust the king." -- G. K. Chesterton (1874-1936)
"The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist." Baudelaire and Verbal Kint from The Usual Suspects
"I'm a practicing Catholic; I'm practicing until I get it right." Martin Sheen
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« Reply #31 on: February 29, 2012, 09:25:AM » |
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Well, hermits are giving up earthly happiness to focus solely on God. One might also say that hermits have a particular gift or calling, but as St. Paul emphasized, all gifts come from God and they are still members of the Body of Christ.
Aristotle wrote that a man without a polis "is either a beast or a god.". The Greeks tended to believe the former. However, I think that Christianity flips it, as both Scripture and the experiences of the Church Fathers praise solitude. In a sense, I think you're right, but Aristotle is still correct here. Man is a social animal. The aesthetic fathers lived alone physically, but only so that they could live in closer spiritual communion with God. I think it remains true that any man who lives in true solitude is either a beast or a god. |
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« Reply #32 on: February 29, 2012, 09:27:AM » |
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I think it remains true that any man who lives in true solitude is either a beast or a god.
Or at least godly... |
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"And so, Lord, do you, who do give understanding to faith, give me, so far as you knowest it to be profitable, to understand that you are as we believe; and that you are that which we believe." -- St. Anselm of Canterbury (1033-1109)
"But Christianity preaches an obviously unattractive idea, such as original sin; but when we wait for its results, they are pathos and brotherhood, and a thunder of laughter and pity; for only with original sin we can at once pity the beggar and distrust the king." -- G. K. Chesterton (1874-1936)
"The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist." Baudelaire and Verbal Kint from The Usual Suspects
"I'm a practicing Catholic; I'm practicing until I get it right." Martin Sheen
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« Reply #33 on: February 29, 2012, 09:27:AM » |
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Be fair, things have changed a bit in 45 years.
Even 20 years ago the dating game was different.
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"Courage, dear brothers! Probably half of us are in our old age. Old age, they say, is the seat of wisdom. The old ones have the wisdom that they have earned from walking through life. Like old Simeon and Anna at the temple whose wisdom allowed them to recognize Jesus. Let us give with wisdom to the youth: like good wine that improves with age, let us give the youth the wisdom of our lives."
"Let us never give in to pessimism, to that bitterness that the devil offers us every day. Do not give in to pessimism and discouragement. We have the firm certainty that the Holy Spirit gives the Church with His mighty breath, the courage to persevere and also to seek new methods of evangelization, to bring the Gospel to the ends of the earth."
Pope Francis
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Excerpts from First Address to College of Cardinals
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« Reply #34 on: February 29, 2012, 09:31:AM » |
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I think it remains true that any man who lives in true solitude is either a beast or a god.
Or at least godly... Well, the gods exist. But the good ones never live in solitude. I suppose that some of the bad ones do. |
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« Reply #35 on: February 29, 2012, 10:48:AM » |
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Religious brothers and sisters and roman priests marry God. I married someone who knows more than God  ...I keeeed....i keeeed. (First thing I did when I got married was throw out my encyclopedias .. etc etc) Happily Married 25 years |
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« Reply #36 on: February 29, 2012, 10:53:AM » |
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I married someone who knows more than God ...I keeeed....i keeeed. (First thing I did when I got married was throw out my encyclopedias .. etc etc) Happily Married 25 years LOL |
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« Reply #37 on: February 29, 2012, 11:08:AM » |
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Religious brothers and sisters and roman priests marry God. I married someone who knows more than God ...I keeeed....i keeeed. (First thing I did when I got married was throw out my encyclopedias .. etc etc) Happily Married 25 years Good deal! Congratulations! |
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"And so, Lord, do you, who do give understanding to faith, give me, so far as you knowest it to be profitable, to understand that you are as we believe; and that you are that which we believe." -- St. Anselm of Canterbury (1033-1109)
"But Christianity preaches an obviously unattractive idea, such as original sin; but when we wait for its results, they are pathos and brotherhood, and a thunder of laughter and pity; for only with original sin we can at once pity the beggar and distrust the king." -- G. K. Chesterton (1874-1936)
"The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist." Baudelaire and Verbal Kint from The Usual Suspects
"I'm a practicing Catholic; I'm practicing until I get it right." Martin Sheen
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« Reply #38 on: February 29, 2012, 11:21:AM » |
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And the more I think about it, college is a really terrible place to look for a potential wife anyway. Most of those girls are fickle, don't know what a decent husband is (they want someone who is funand excting. I'm a humorous person, but the type of man they'll wish they had when they're 30 with kids and their fun husband is an irresponsible ape). And besides, are they really going to college to get maried right after and have kids. No. So i'm not even bothering looking for a girl now anyway. ANd yes, I'm ranting a bit.  Going to college primarily to find a spouse is a bad idea but many people do marry someone they met at college and many of those marriages last, too. You're making negative assumptions about girls at your college that can't possibly apply to all of them. If you really are "one of the more studious, mature, and religious students at my college" why would you want "girls scrambling for a date with me"? That's not ladylike behavior. Ladies wait to be asked out. Neither of us went to college to find a spouse but we met, fell in love, and got married while still in college. We went into our marriage with the promise and premise that it would work, that we were marrying for life. We celebrated our 45th wedding anniversary last week. First, I'm not going to college to find a wife, so that's out of the way. As for the "girls scrambling for me" part, I was responding to Vox's statement that if a man be mature, hard-working, and religious, he'll find a woman to marry. I stated that I basically am this, and there are no girls showing any interest in me. Besides, I don't see what's wrong with women at least showing interest. I'm not talking about tehm pursiuing men like men pursue women at all. One can't expect women to be mute dolls standing around till some man comes to rescue them. |
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« Reply #39 on: February 29, 2012, 11:29:AM » |
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And the more I think about it, college is a really terrible place to look for a potential wife anyway. Most of those girls are fickle, don't know what a decent husband is (they want someone who is funand excting. I'm a humorous person, but the type of man they'll wish they had when they're 30 with kids and their fun husband is an irresponsible ape). And besides, are they really going to college to get maried right after and have kids. No. So i'm not even bothering looking for a girl now anyway. ANd yes, I'm ranting a bit. Going to college primarily to find a spouse is a bad idea but many people do marry someone they met at college and many of those marriages last, too. You're making negative assumptions about girls at your college that can't possibly apply to all of them. If you really are "one of the more studious, mature, and religious students at my college" why would you want "girls scrambling for a date with me"? That's not ladylike behavior. Ladies wait to be asked out. Neither of us went to college to find a spouse but we met, fell in love, and got married while still in college. We went into our marriage with the promise and premise that it would work, that we were marrying for life. We celebrated our 45th wedding anniversary last week. First, I'm not going to college to find a wife, so that's out of the way. As for the "girls scrambling for me" part, I was responding to Vox's statement that if a man be mature, hard-working, and religious, he'll find a woman to marry. I stated that I basically am this, and there are no girls showing any interest in me. Yes, but you're also 20. Give it a few years. Also, the number of conservative, marriageable girls increases with age (up until a certain point). Most people are still goofing around in college at 20, and society has given us this weird idea that one MUST go to college and one must wait to marry. |
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