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« on: February 26, 2012, 03:10:AM » |
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Went to sspx chapel last night for a 7 pm low mass and father said the Gloria. He was celebrating the mass of St. Mathias. Are masses for martyrs or apostles excepted from the norm of having no Gloria during lent? I was very surprised to hear it.
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« Reply #1 on: February 26, 2012, 04:02:AM » |
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I know votive Masses to the BVM said on a Saturday have a Gloria, but I don't know if this is true during Lent (and Advent) or about this particular case. Is there a Gloria for today in your Missal?
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« Reply #2 on: February 26, 2012, 05:30:AM » |
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Went to sspx chapel last night for a 7 pm low mass and father said the Gloria. He was celebrating the mass of St. Mathias. Are masses for martyrs or apostles excepted from the norm of having no Gloria during lent? I was very surprised to hear it.
I think so. The same happens during Advent - for the feast of St Thomas the Apostle, for example, the gloria is said/sung, even though it's still during Advent. Only for Sundays and ferias, I believe, are the seasonal norms observed. |
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« Reply #3 on: February 26, 2012, 06:42:AM » |
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I served Mass and the priest said the Gloria too. I didn't know it was a martyr's feast day but the priest was wearing red so that makes sense. So, yes, it wasn't just your chapel that had the gloria.
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« Reply #4 on: February 26, 2012, 09:38:AM » |
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Yes. Any Mass which ends in Ite Missa Est has the gloria, and also there are parts of the Office too which are done. If it outranks a proper Lenten day, it is given its due honors.
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« Reply #5 on: February 27, 2012, 03:19:PM » |
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Yes. Any Mass which ends in Ite Missa Est has the gloria, and also there are parts of the Office too which are done. If it outranks a proper Lenten day, it is given its due honors.
The 1962 rubrics always end the Mass with Ite, Missa est. The former ending of Benedicamus Domino on days without the Gloria was suppressed. The Gloria (and the Te Deum at Matins) is said on all feast days, even during Lent, but in the 1962 rubrics, only I and II class Feasts can be celebrated during Lent. It will be said again for St Joseph and the Annunciation; if St Patrick is the patron of some place, the Gloria will also be said there on his feast. All other universal feasts during Lent are III class, so they're commemorated only, with no Gloria in the ferial Mass. |
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« Reply #6 on: February 27, 2012, 03:51:PM » |
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Mith: what everyone else said. Short version: no Gloria in Lent except feasts; that is, no Gloria on purple days in Lent. Same rules for Advent.
Crusader_Philly: Not applicable, I believe, because there are no votive Masses of the BVM in Lent, the Feria takes precedence.
Aragon: St. Matthias may be a martyr, but I'm not sure (Hippolytus says he died of old age, other traditions differ, according to Wikipedia). But red is the liturgical color of his feast because He was an Apostle, and the common for his feast is from the common of Apostles.
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« Reply #7 on: February 27, 2012, 04:51:PM » |
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Mith: what everyone else said. Short version: no Gloria in Lent except feasts; that is, no Gloria on purple days in Lent. Same rules for Advent.
Crusader_Philly: Not applicable, I believe, because there are no votive Masses of the BVM in Lent, the Feria takes precedence.
Aragon: St. Matthias may be a martyr, but I'm not sure (Hippolytus says he died of old age, other traditions differ, according to Wikipedia). But red is the liturgical color of his feast because He was an Apostle, and the common for his feast is from the common of Apostles.
So red is the color for apostles, whether martyrs or not? I didn't know that! Interesting. |
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« Reply #8 on: February 27, 2012, 06:09:PM » |
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Yes. Any Mass which ends in Ite Missa Est has the gloria, and also there are parts of the Office too which are done. If it outranks a proper Lenten day, it is given its due honors.
The 1962 rubrics always end the Mass with Ite, Missa est. The former ending of Benedicamus Domino on days without the Gloria was suppressed. The Gloria (and the Te Deum at Matins) is said on all feast days, even during Lent, but in the 1962 rubrics, only I and II class Feasts can be celebrated during Lent. It will be said again for St Joseph and the Annunciation; if St Patrick is the patron of some place, the Gloria will also be said there on his feast. All other universal feasts during Lent are III class, so they're commemorated only, with no Gloria in the ferial Mass. Hey, shows what I know! I attend a 1954 Mass, so I took that for granted. I've been to the 62 maybe 20 times in my life. Thanks for the clarification! |
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« Reply #9 on: February 27, 2012, 07:14:PM » |
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So red is the color for apostles, whether martyrs or not? I didn't know that! Interesting.
St Matthias is considered a martyr; the only Apostle who was not is St John, and his feast (27 December) is celebrated in white. The Chair of St Peter and the Conversion of St Paul are also white, since those feasts are not about their martyrdom. |
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