Interesting Teaching About Priest's

[SpiderDweeb]

     I have a friend who is a cradle Novus Ordo Catholic and in the last four years he has really started to embrace the faith.  He always shares his new discoveries with me which I really enjoy.  The following is one of those discoveries, which I have copied exactly as it appears in the prayer book he showed me (including bold text).  Does anyone know anything about "Mutter Vogel"?  Is this really from the Lord?  How would this apply to priest breaking the law and so forth?

Criticism Of Priests
Our Lord's revelations to Mutter Vogel

"One should NEVER attack a priest, even when he's in error.  Rather, one should pray and do penance that I'll grant him My grace again.  He alone fully represents Me, even when he doesn't live after My example!"  (page 29, Mutter Vogel's Worldwide Love, St. Grgnion Publishing House, Altoting, South Germany, June 29, 1929)

"When a priest falls, we should extend him a helping hand THROUGH PRAYER AND NOT THROUGH ATTACKS!  i Myself will be his judge, NO ONE BUT I!  Whoever voices judgment over a priest has voiced it over Me; child, never let a priest be attacked; take up his defense."  (Feast of Christ the King, 1937) "Child, never judge your confessor; rather, pray much for him and offer every Thursday, through the hands of My blessed Mother, Holy Communion (for him)" (June 6, 1939)  "Never again accept an out-of-the-way word about a priest, and speak no unkind word (about them) EVEN IF IT WERE TRUE!  Every priest is My Vicar and My Heart will be sickened and insulted because of it!  If you hear a judgment (against a priest) pray a Hail Mary."  (June 28, 1939)

"If you see a priest who celebrates the Holy Mass unworthily, then say nothing about him; rather, tell it to Me alone!  I stand beside Him on the altar!  Oh pray much for my priests; that they'll love purity above all; that they'll celebrate the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass with pure hands and heart.  Certainly, the Holy Sacrifice is one and the same even when it's celebrated by an unworthy priest, but the grace called down upon the people is not the same!" (Feb, 28 1938)

[Stubborn]

That's from the little Pieta prayer book - don't know about Mutter Vogel but it just makes good Catholic sense.

[Phillipus Iacobus]

Something to note is that an immoral priest is different from a heretical, schismatic, or apostate priest.

[Tim]

I just googled through a bunch of pages and they are echo chambers for the same info. In German Mutter means mother as you've probably guessed, and Vogel is bird. It's a little suspect Mother bird. Perhaps a fisheater n germany could google it and find more.

tim

[Gerard]

There is this unhealthy strain of Romanticism concerning veneration of priests that is really disturbing and does not coincide with the reality of Catholic teaching, common sense and charity. 

For instance, if you get solicited by a priest in the confessional, if he makes overtures to you in any fashion of a sexual nature, you are obligated to turn him in, your absolution is  automatically suspended and contingent upon your reporting this priest to your local ordinary and his superior. 

It seems people are taking the emotional hyperbole of great saints and turning them into doctrinal teachings. 

Catholics have to learn to separate the poetic musings of saints and blesseds and mystics from the clear, solid teaching of the Church.  Let that teaching be your guide and not sentimental musings of saints that wrote rhapsodic prose on days where everything was going a certain way. 

If forget which visionary it was that Our Lord appeared to onlly after she had reached the end of her rope and said, "We don't need enemies with friends like you."  (Anyone remember who I'm referring to?)  Obvioiusly she didn't literally mean it or it would have been the worst of blasphemies, but we all know we "feel" that way on occasion. 

[Crusading Philologist]

There is this unhealthy strain of Romanticism concerning veneration of priests that is really disturbing and does not coincide with the reality of Catholic teaching, common sense and charity. 

For instance, if you get solicited by a priest in the confessional, if he makes overtures to you in any fashion of a sexual nature, you are obligated to turn him in, your absolution is  automatically suspended and contingent upon your reporting this priest to your local ordinary and his superior. 

It seems people are taking the emotional hyperbole of great saints and turning them into doctrinal teachings. 

Catholics have to learn to separate the poetic musings of saints and blesseds and mystics from the clear, solid teaching of the Church.  Let that teaching be your guide and not sentimental musings of saints that wrote rhapsodic prose on days where everything was going a certain way. 

If forget which visionary it was that Our Lord appeared to onlly after she had reached the end of her rope and said, "We don't need enemies with friends like you."  (Anyone remember who I'm referring to?)  Obvioiusly she didn't literally mean it or it would have been the worst of blasphemies, but we all know we "feel" that way on occasion. 

So, what you are saying is that we should ignore the saints and listen to you instead?

[Tim]

We should when were young have our conscience full formed, and have internalized the catechism, then the Holy Ghost will do his work with us.
Reading about lives of Saints and the their ideas about x,y, or z, ain't the answer, but a nice pass time. A rosary chaplet, or praying an hour of the Office, are worth hundreds of books about or written by Saints.

tim

[BrendanD]

Yeah, this is one of those clerical maximalist  private revelations that rears its ugly head around here from time to time.  Thus, insulting the Church and the intelligence of her children.

I don't doubt that a lot of repressed, young momma's boys with bad skin REALLY want to believe this but, when it comes right down to it, no one with more than a few brain cells rattling around the old noggin takes it seriously.

Let's face it, even the most supercharged, super-sized, super-clerical among you would -- when confronted with a priest about to rape a child or, say, slice of your mother's petticoat-- drop to his knees and pray. You would, at the very least, call the police.  And, if you retained even a semblance of your humanity you'd beat the living hell out of him to protect the innocent.

Cling to this garbage and you make an idol of individual priests and you throw the 1st Commandment down the lav.

I love you guys, blessed Lent

[Crusading Philologist]

Aren't the saints supposed to serve as examples of the Christian life? Every culture passes on its values through stories, so I don't see why reading or hearing about the lives of the saints cannot contribute to one's knowledge of the Faith.

[jovan66102]

IIRC, the Pieta Prayer Book is not imprimatured as a whole and, I think if you check, it is published by Baysiders. On the whole, it is orthodox, but that particular bit of advice has bothered me ever since I first read it shortly after becoming a Catholic over thirty years ago. It is completely absurd. I totally agree with the points made by Gerard and BrendanD.