Is the New Mass Displeasing to God when it is Valid?

[Parmandur]

First answer my question - - Why do you think the SSPX was formed in the first place?

That doesn't matter.  It doesn't answer the question, of whether the NO is valid and licit, the Sacrifice of the Eucharist.  Marcel Lefebvre, in your recent post, has to admit as much because it is true.

"That doesn't matter" = you'll always wave both flags till it does matter.

I have no connection with the SSPX, or Lefebvre.  I think they have done as much harm to the cause of the TLM as good, perhaps more harm.  A better question might be, why was the Fraternal Society of Saint Peter formed?  Or the Institute of Christ the King, Sovereign Priest?

[Stubborn]

Thanks Tim. Good post, good points, well taken.

[Stubborn]

First answer my question - - Why do you think the SSPX was formed in the first place?

That doesn't matter.  It doesn't answer the question, of whether the NO is valid and licit, the Sacrifice of the Eucharist.  Marcel Lefebvre, in your recent post, has to admit as much because it is true.

"That doesn't matter" = you'll always wave both flags till it does matter.

I have no connection with the SSPX, or Lefebvre.  I think they have done as much harm to the cause of the TLM as good, perhaps more harm.  A better question might be, why was the Fraternal Society of Saint Peter formed?  Or the Institute of Christ the King, Sovereign Priest?

Like I said, you'll always wave both flags till it does matter.

[Parmandur]

First answer my question - - Why do you think the SSPX was formed in the first place?

That doesn't matter.  It doesn't answer the question, of whether the NO is valid and licit, the Sacrifice of the Eucharist.  Marcel Lefebvre, in your recent post, has to admit as much because it is true.

"That doesn't matter" = you'll always wave both flags till it does matter.

I have no connection with the SSPX, or Lefebvre.  I think they have done as much harm to the cause of the TLM as good, perhaps more harm.  A better question might be, why was the Fraternal Society of Saint Peter formed?  Or the Institute of Christ the King, Sovereign Priest?

Like I said, you'll always wave both flags till it does matter.

The only flag I wave is that of the Holy Church.

[Stubborn]

http://www.sspxasia.com/Documents/Archbishop-Lefebvre/Apologia/Vol_two/Chapter_40.htm


It must be understood immediately that we do not hold to the absurd idea that if the New Mass is valid, we are then free to assist at it. The Church has always forbidden the faithful to assist at the Masses of heretics and schismatics, even when they are valid. It is clear that no one can assist at sacrilegious Masses or at Masses which endanger our faith................

Thank you for making my point? 

I NEVER disputed that - try reading what was written - or do you suppose I made the last sentence bold by mistake?

You seem to be very insistently claiming that 2 (valid Mass) + 2 (licit Mass) = 5 (displeasing to God).

You are being irrational and contradictory.

Can you read what is red and bold?

[Stubborn]

The only flag I wave is that of the Holy Church.

Which Rite? New or Old?

[Parmandur]

The only flag I wave is that of the Holy Church.

Which Rite? New or Old?

*sigh*

The Church.  There is only one Church.  You continue to miss the point.

[Parmandur]

http://www.sspxasia.com/Documents/Archbishop-Lefebvre/Apologia/Vol_two/Chapter_40.htm


It must be understood immediately that we do not hold to the absurd idea that if the New Mass is valid, we are then free to assist at it. The Church has always forbidden the faithful to assist at the Masses of heretics and schismatics, even when they are valid. It is clear that no one can assist at sacrilegious Masses or at Masses which endanger our faith................

Thank you for making my point? 

I NEVER disputed that - try reading what was written - or do you suppose I made the last sentence bold by mistake?

You seem to be very insistently claiming that 2 (valid Mass) + 2 (licit Mass) = 5 (displeasing to God).

You are being irrational and contradictory.

Can you read what is red and bold?

Frankly, the sentence after the bold part seems to condemn Lefebvre's own actions of "setting up altar against altar."

[Stubborn]

The only flag I wave is that of the Holy Church.

Which Rite? New or Old?

*sigh*

The Church.  There is only one Church.

 

[Parmandur]

The only flag I wave is that of the Holy Church.

Which Rite? New or Old?

*sigh*

The Church.  There is only one Church.

 

There is no "New Church" or "Old Church", there is only the Catholic Church.