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Author Topic: Mark Shea- Female Cardinals?  (Read 2660 times)

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« on: April 02, 2012, 03:09:PM »

Oh Mark, you lovable dolt...

I'm sure lots of things *can* be done... but what purpose, really, would be served by female cardinals? More importantly: whose agenda would be served?

With all that is misunderstood, wrong, and just overall allowed, but stupidly so, surely Mr. Shea could devote his efforts towards helping people understand actual Church teaching instead of dangling carrot cake in front of spiritual bulimics.

"Cdl. Dolan and Fr. Benedict Groeschel Affirm Me in My Okayness!
Posted on March 21, 2012 by Mark Shea

For 15ish years, ever since the publication of Ordinatio Sacerdotalis, I have maintained that one implication of the document is that women can be created cardinals of the Church (since the office of cardinal does not require holy orders and it is *only* the sacerdotal office to which the Church lacks the authority to ordain women). When I say this, I invariably get chewed out as a subversive modernist.

However, the other day, Fr. Groeschel and Cdl Dolan noted exactly the same thing (go to the 3:50 mark):"

See rest with video at link.

In other news, Mary Modern is now indoctrinating her only child (thanks CFP!) for the future of female cardinals.

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« Reply #1 on: April 02, 2012, 05:00:PM »

If this happens, Ill probably have to concede that the Catholic Church is not what She claims to be.

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« Reply #2 on: April 02, 2012, 05:01:PM »

This is just ridiculous.  The Church continuing to gravel at the feet of modern ideology and cultural Marxism.

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« Reply #3 on: April 02, 2012, 05:06:PM »

You wreck the Mass, You wreck Catholic Seminaries, You wreck the authority of the Pope, and this is what you get. Pope Saint Pius X, Pray for us!!!!!!!

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« Reply #4 on: April 02, 2012, 05:08:PM »

Even if this were somehow possible, it's certainly completely unprecedented for any layman to hold the office of cardinal.  Even the so called "lay cardinals" had received minor orders and so were clerics.  I'm not sure it even makes sense for a non-cleric to hold an ecclesiastical office like that.


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« Reply #5 on: April 02, 2012, 05:28:PM »

Perhaps female cardinals would make the Roman Curia more appealing to everyone.

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« Reply #6 on: April 02, 2012, 06:05:PM »

This is impossible because if  woman were made Cardinals they could vote a woman cardinal as Pope which is an impossibility. They will try to put them in without voting rights and unable to obtain the papacy.

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« Reply #7 on: April 02, 2012, 06:16:PM »

According to Canon 351, both Cardinal Dolan and Mark Shea are wrong. Women cannot be made into Cardinals.

Canon 351: The Roman Pontiff freely selects men to be promoted as Cardinals, who have been ordained at least into the order of the presbyterate and are especially outstanding in doctrine, morals, piety, and prudence in action; those who are not yet bishops must receive episcopal consecration.
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« Reply #8 on: April 02, 2012, 07:54:PM »

According to Canon 351, both Cardinal Dolan and Mark Shea are wrong. Women cannot be made into Cardinals.

I think the fact that canon law would have to be revised is a given.

But theoretically, yes, the Pope could name a woman as a cardinal, but without the chance of being elected as Pope. I certainly wouldn't look forward to it, but the office of cardinal is not of divine origin and not intrinsically tied to holy orders.

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« Reply #9 on: April 02, 2012, 08:03:PM »

Avery Dulles became a cardinal and was not made a bishop. I think a pope can dispense with canon law when he wants to.


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