Arun
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« Reply #10 on: April 22, 2012, 05:30:AM » |
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Some of the early Greek philosophers thought that perfection was to be sought in both. If you approach it from this angle, I would agree, but from a purely Christian angle, I would say that health of the mind reigns supreme. Some of the greatest saints weren't the most physically well-off, especially when they lived only on the Holy Eucharist and were bed-ridden. They spent their time serving their neighbor and maintained their needs only insofar as it was necessary to maintain the needs of others.
Yet, for example, the Crusaders (and more importantly those from Mother Church Herself's own Military Orders) played an equally important part in the Catholic history and attained certain salvation through their corporal works. Subjective, as I say.  |
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It is my solemn and firmly held belief that the Cristeros were an entirely unjustified group of egomaniacal sociopaths and that Mexico would be a far better place today had they simply purchased Xbox360 consoles and lived out their ridiculous fantasies via an imaginary fantasy gaming realm Forget your lust for the rich man's gold/ All that you need, is in your soul/ And you can do this, oh baby, if you try/ All that I want for you my son/ Is to be satisfied All that we are is a picture in a mirror, with fancy shoes to grace our feet. All that there is, is a slow road to freedom; Heaven above and the devil beneath. We're all in this thing together, walking a line between faith and fear, this life won't last forever - when you cry I taste the salt in your tears. |
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« Reply #11 on: April 22, 2012, 06:13:AM » |
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Some of the early Greek philosophers thought that perfection was to be sought in both. If you approach it from this angle, I would agree, but from a purely Christian angle, I would say that health of the mind reigns supreme. Some of the greatest saints weren't the most physically well-off, especially when they lived only on the Holy Eucharist and were bed-ridden. They spent their time serving their neighbor and maintained their needs only insofar as it was necessary to maintain the needs of others.
Yet, for example, the Crusaders (and more importantly those from Mother Church Herself's own Military Orders) played an equally important part in the Catholic history and attained certain salvation through their corporal works. Subjective, as I say. But how many of them have been canonized saints in comparison and thus held up by the Church as examples of herioc piety and virtue? Believe me, I am an extremely physical and athletic person. I engage in intense physical training 5 days a week. But I am simply saying that the athletes are generally not the saints, though there have been exeptions, and when they have been saints it wasn't because of their physical health and stamina. It was because of something generally unrelated, such as martyrdom. |
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I n N omine P atris, E t F ilii, E t S piritus S ancti "The practice of the Church has always been the same, as is shown by the unanimous teaching of the Fathers, who were wont to hold as outside Catholic communion, and alien to the Church, whoever would recede in the least degree from any point of doctrine proposed by her authoritative magisterium" (Pope Leo XIII, Satis Cognitum, no. 9, June 29, 1896). “Wherefore, brethren, labour the more, that by good works you may make sure your calling and election. For doing these things, you shall not sin at any time” (2 Peter 1:10).
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« Reply #12 on: April 22, 2012, 01:32:PM » |
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Well, the mind is most important, since it is also a capacity of the soul. When you die, it is teh soul and mind that lives on, so it is best to cultivate this as much as possible. However, on earth, or souls and bodies are joined, so what effects one effects the other, so proper care of the body is also good for the ultimate end of the good of the soul and its healthy function while imprisoned in the body. However, depending on one's state of life, it may be necessary to exercise the body to a beyond normal degree.
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"This much I would have you know: so long, I say,
as nothing in my conscience troubles me
I am prepared for Fortune, come what may"
"We sleep here in obedience;
When duty called, we came;
When country called, we died."
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« Reply #13 on: April 23, 2012, 12:38:PM » |
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Well, the mind is most important, since it is also a capacity of the soul. When you die, it is teh soul and mind that lives on, so it is best to cultivate this as much as possible. However, on earth, or souls and bodies are joined, so what effects one effects the other, so proper care of the body is also good for the ultimate end of the good of the soul and its healthy function while imprisoned in the body. However, depending on one's state of life, it may be necessary to exercise the body to a beyond normal degree.
The soul is not imprisoned in the body. The soul is the substantial form of the body. The body and soul are one. The body dissipates at death, but we are reunited at the resurrection of the body to that same body glorified. This state of separation is not viewed at all as a positive in Catholic teaching, but an extreme negative, as though being lost. The imprisoned body idea in Catholic circles comes most from Plato and from Mani, and is not supported by Catholic teaching. The soul and body are in mutual support, and the soul is the head of the body, but by no means is the body just something that we steer. The body is our very soul made experienceable to other bodies. Christ came and took on a body, which He has for eternity. Our Lady is special because she never had to undergo a separation of her body and soul. And St Paul said, "For we know that every creature groans and travails in pain, even up till now. And not only it, but ourselves also, who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption of the sons of God, the redemption of our body" (Rm 8:23). Perhaps you didn't mean to degrade the body, but I didn't want anyone to fall into this Manichean error. |
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And whosoever diggeth a pit, Lord,
Shall fall in it, shall fall in it.
Whosoever diggeth a pit shall bury in it,
Shall bury in it.
If you are the big tree,
We are the small axe
Sharpened to cut you down,
Ready to cut you down.
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Arun
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« Reply #14 on: April 27, 2012, 03:27:AM » |
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Plain fact is though, not all of us are capable of high intellectual thought. So it is subjective. |
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It is my solemn and firmly held belief that the Cristeros were an entirely unjustified group of egomaniacal sociopaths and that Mexico would be a far better place today had they simply purchased Xbox360 consoles and lived out their ridiculous fantasies via an imaginary fantasy gaming realm Forget your lust for the rich man's gold/ All that you need, is in your soul/ And you can do this, oh baby, if you try/ All that I want for you my son/ Is to be satisfied All that we are is a picture in a mirror, with fancy shoes to grace our feet. All that there is, is a slow road to freedom; Heaven above and the devil beneath. We're all in this thing together, walking a line between faith and fear, this life won't last forever - when you cry I taste the salt in your tears. |
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« Reply #15 on: April 27, 2012, 03:32:AM » |
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« Reply #16 on: April 27, 2012, 09:21:AM » |
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The mind.
What about it?  |
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"This much I would have you know: so long, I say,
as nothing in my conscience troubles me
I am prepared for Fortune, come what may"
"We sleep here in obedience;
When duty called, we came;
When country called, we died."
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