Regarding an Orthodox objection to the Filioque..

[TrentCath]

The point is that this thread does not show that the filioque doesn't clarify anything because disagreement does not equal a lack of clarity.

Really, this comes straight from the Greek Fathers.

I wondered how long it would be, before someone did the obvious and mentioned that document

You didn't read much of the previous pages did you?

Start with page 2.

No, theres not much point with the Orthodox, any group that spends 900 odd years arguing over whether one could use leavened or unleavened bread and should fast on saturdays or not isn't likely to listen to reason 

Well, those of us Latins who live in glass houses ought not to throw stones.  Theological and liturgical arguments of any stripe look nutty from the outside, across the board.

And perhaps the largest schism in the last 800 years or so occurred with the Old Believers over whether to say aleluia two or three times and whether to cross yourself with two or three fingers.  

Seems a little extreme but at least I don't have to worry about "liturgical dancing", tamourines or clowns when I walk into church on Sundays.  

Lets just the history of the 400 or so year long corruption under the sultanate isn't pretty nor are the stories of bishops assassinated by other bishops or church's crushed by the sultan on the ecumenical patriarchs instructions.

[Silouan]

The point is that this thread does not show that the filioque doesn't clarify anything because disagreement does not equal a lack of clarity.

Really, this comes straight from the Greek Fathers.

I wondered how long it would be, before someone did the obvious and mentioned that document

You didn't read much of the previous pages did you?

Start with page 2.

No, theres not much point with the Orthodox, any group that spends 900 odd years arguing over whether one could use leavened or unleavened bread and should fast on saturdays or not isn't likely to listen to reason 

Well, those of us Latins who live in glass houses ought not to throw stones.  Theological and liturgical arguments of any stripe look nutty from the outside, across the board.

And perhaps the largest schism in the last 800 years or so occurred with the Old Believers over whether to say aleluia two or three times and whether to cross yourself with two or three fingers.  

Seems a little extreme but at least I don't have to worry about "liturgical dancing", tamourines or clowns when I walk into church on Sundays.  

Lets just the history of the 400 or so year long corruption under the sultanate isn't pretty nor are the stories of bishops assassinated by other bishops or church's crushed by the sultan on the ecumenical patriarchs instructions.

[Parmandur]

And perhaps the largest schism in the last 800 years or so occurred with the Old Believers over whether to say aleluia two or three times and whether to cross yourself with two or three fingers.  

Seems a little extreme but at least I don't have to worry about "liturgical dancing", tamourines or clowns when I walk into church on Sundays.  

You forgot the key word "yet."  Given strange eons, stranger things have happened. 

[TrentCath]

The point is that this thread does not show that the filioque doesn't clarify anything because disagreement does not equal a lack of clarity.

Really, this comes straight from the Greek Fathers.

I wondered how long it would be, before someone did the obvious and mentioned that document

You didn't read much of the previous pages did you?

Start with page 2.

No, theres not much point with the Orthodox, any group that spends 900 odd years arguing over whether one could use leavened or unleavened bread and should fast on saturdays or not isn't likely to listen to reason 

Well, those of us Latins who live in glass houses ought not to throw stones.  Theological and liturgical arguments of any stripe look nutty from the outside, across the board.

And perhaps the largest schism in the last 800 years or so occurred with the Old Believers over whether to say aleluia two or three times and whether to cross yourself with two or three fingers.  

Seems a little extreme but at least I don't have to worry about "liturgical dancing", tamourines or clowns when I walk into church on Sundays.  

Lets just the history of the 400 or so year long corruption under the sultanate isn't pretty nor are the stories of bishops assassinated by other bishops or church's crushed by the sultan on the ecumenical patriarchs instructions.

You do realise most of that stuff was made up by the italians who didn't want to have a spanish pope ever again? Regardless thats what 20, 30, if we're generous 50 versus 400+ under what 300 or more patriarchs, there's not even a comparison...

Regardless the borgias didn't authorise the whole sale slaughter of church's for their personal gain.

The biggest problem with the orthodox is that they inherit their brand of orthodoxy from the ecumenical patriarchs of bygone ages i.e the byzantine empire, rather than either their own traditions or their actual fathers. Most of the differences cropped up during the 11th century and were exploited for political motives by the then patriarch and have been ever since.

[Melkite]

Interesting he is pictured the same way as Judas Iscariot.

[Silouan]

The point is that this thread does not show that the filioque doesn't clarify anything because disagreement does not equal a lack of clarity.

Really, this comes straight from the Greek Fathers.

I wondered how long it would be, before someone did the obvious and mentioned that document

You didn't read much of the previous pages did you?

Start with page 2.

No, theres not much point with the Orthodox, any group that spends 900 odd years arguing over whether one could use leavened or unleavened bread and should fast on saturdays or not isn't likely to listen to reason 

Well, those of us Latins who live in glass houses ought not to throw stones.  Theological and liturgical arguments of any stripe look nutty from the outside, across the board.

And perhaps the largest schism in the last 800 years or so occurred with the Old Believers over whether to say aleluia two or three times and whether to cross yourself with two or three fingers.  

Seems a little extreme but at least I don't have to worry about "liturgical dancing", tamourines or clowns when I walk into church on Sundays.  

Lets just the history of the 400 or so year long corruption under the sultanate isn't pretty nor are the stories of bishops assassinated by other bishops or church's crushed by the sultan on the ecumenical patriarchs instructions.

You do realise most of that stuff was made up by the italians who didn't want to have a spanish pope ever again? Regardless thats what 20, 30, if we're generous 50 versus 400+ under what 300 or more patriarchs, there's not even a comparison...

Sometimes I have a hard time telling if you're joking or not.

[Parmandur]

You do realise most of that stuff was made up by the italians who didn't want to have a spanish pope ever again? Regardless thats what 20, 30, if we're generous 50 versus 400+ under what 300 or more patriarchs, there's not even a comparison...

Well, that is the sort of answer you get when you crawl into the mud.  This is why it is a bad plan, and poor discussion.

[TrentCath]

The point is that this thread does not show that the filioque doesn't clarify anything because disagreement does not equal a lack of clarity.

Really, this comes straight from the Greek Fathers.

I wondered how long it would be, before someone did the obvious and mentioned that document

You didn't read much of the previous pages did you?

Start with page 2.

No, theres not much point with the Orthodox, any group that spends 900 odd years arguing over whether one could use leavened or unleavened bread and should fast on saturdays or not isn't likely to listen to reason 

Well, those of us Latins who live in glass houses ought not to throw stones.  Theological and liturgical arguments of any stripe look nutty from the outside, across the board.

And perhaps the largest schism in the last 800 years or so occurred with the Old Believers over whether to say aleluia two or three times and whether to cross yourself with two or three fingers.  

Seems a little extreme but at least I don't have to worry about "liturgical dancing", tamourines or clowns when I walk into church on Sundays.  

Lets just the history of the 400 or so year long corruption under the sultanate isn't pretty nor are the stories of bishops assassinated by other bishops or church's crushed by the sultan on the ecumenical patriarchs instructions.

You do realise most of that stuff was made up by the italians who didn't want to have a spanish pope ever again? Regardless thats what 20, 30, if we're generous 50 versus 400+ under what 300 or more patriarchs, there's not even a comparison...

Sometimes I have a hard time telling if you're joking or not.

I wish I was, sadly not, not according to Fortescue anyway.

But then I suppose you'll claim Fortescue made it all up or is too 'polemical'?

[Silouan]

But then I suppose you'll claim Fortescue made it all up or is too 'polemical'?

Like I said, sometimes I can't tell if you're joking or not.

You do realise most of that stuff was made up by the italians who didn't want to have a spanish pope ever again?

Either way, our guys are holier than your guys INFINITY no backsies........

[Parmandur]

But then I suppose you'll claim Fortescue made it all up or is too 'polemical'?

Like I said, sometimes I can't tell if you're joking or not.

You do realise most of that stuff was made up by the italians who didn't want to have a spanish pope ever again?

Either way, our guys are holier than your guys INFINITY no backsies........

 

Y'all deserve each other.