EF Priest adds NO Vigil Mass to schedule

[Clare Brigid]

Then he's not an "EF priest."

[Martinus]

Then he's not an "EF priest."

True. Not even sure what one of those is anyway, didn't give it much thought before typing it.

I suppose I meant: 'Priest who formerly offered only the TLM adds NO vigil Mass to schedule'.

[City Smurf]

There's a priest in the Archdiocese—and a very good one at that, pray for him!—that offers both the Extraordinary—one Tuesdays, Wednesdays and Thursdays—and Ordinary Forms.  His Ordinary Form Masses with the exception of the primary Sunday 11am Mass are celebrated ad orientem, with crucifix and candles on the altar and a silent canon (as far as I am aware it's always the Roman).  He also occasionally celebrates the OF in Latin.

I honestly think that it's the only time I've ever been at the celebration of the Holy Mass according to the OF and been able to pay attention to what's happening.  This is good.  This is what brick-by-brick is all about.  This is the reform of the "reform".  Econe isn't going to swoop in and save the day.  Nor is Spokane.  It's going to happen within the diocese.  It has to happen in the diocese.  It's good priests like Father mentioned in the original post that are going to effect some real change in the Church.

Has Father said he will no longer celebrate the EF?  No.  Will it remove the EF from its scheduled Saturday slot?  I doubt it.  He's doing a service for his diocese and the faithful by offering a reverent OF when the sad facts remain that the majority people still do not care for the EF.  Does that mean they should be denied a good liturgy?

[Martinus]

There's a priest in the Archdiocese—and a very good one at that, pray for him!—that offers both the Extraordinary—one Tuesdays, Wednesdays and Thursdays—and Ordinary Forms.  His Ordinary Form Masses with the exception of the primary Sunday 11am Mass are celebrated ad orientem, with crucifix and candles on the altar and a silent canon (as far as I am aware it's always the Roman).  He also occasionally celebrates the OF in Latin.

I honestly think that it's the only time I've ever been at the celebration of the Holy Mass according to the OF and been able to pay attention to what's happening.  This is good.  This is what brick-by-brick is all about.  This is the reform of the "reform".  Econe isn't going to swoop in and save the day.  Nor is Spokane.  It's going to happen within the diocese.  It has to happen in the diocese.  It's good priests like Father mentioned in the original post that are going to effect some real change in the Church.

Has Father said he will no longer celebrate the EF?  No.  Will it remove the EF from its scheduled Saturday slot?  I doubt it.  He's doing a service for his diocese and the faithful by offering a reverent OF when the sad facts remain that the majority people still do not care for the EF.  Does that mean they should be denied a good liturgy?

I know what you mean. And when I hear of a NO priest starting to offer the NO in Latin, or more reverently or whatever I'm perfectly happy about it.

I suppose the reason I don't like this so much is that we have a priest who used to offer the TLM exclusively but is now starting to say the NO. It all comes down to your position on the matter I suppose. I, like most here, would like (ideally) to see the NO replaced by the TLM entirely. In those terms, while not the end of the world, this is a step in the wrong direction.

[City Smurf]

I know what you mean. And when I hear of a NO priest starting to offer the NO in Latin, or more reverently or whatever I'm perfectly happy about it.

I suppose the reason I don't like this so much is that we have a priest who used to offer the TLM exclusively but is now starting to say the NO. It all comes down to your position on the matter I suppose. I, like most here, would like (ideally) to see the NO replaced by the TLM entirely. In those terms, while not the end of the world, this is a step in the wrong direction.

I'm not arguing that the FSSP, ICKSP, etc., should start offering Mass according to the OF.  That's not what they are about.  You don't go into a Carmelite chapel offering a course on Teresian spirituality and demand they change their habit to that of the Jesuits and preach an Ignatian spiritual retreat.

As far as I know the priest in the original post is diocesan.  He has taken the decision to offer the Ordinary Form in a reverent and prayerful manner for the faithful who may not be attracted to the Extraordinary Form yet still wish a reverent liturgy.  For all way know this may be a great opportunity to convince laity who have never been exposed to the Extraordinary Form or who have misconceptions about it to delve deeper.

He shouldn't be condemned for it.

[Aragon]

He is a diocesan priest.

[Scriptorium]

It's a step back. The NO priest should upgrade, not the traditional priest downgrade. Maybe they didn't compute that when analyzing their great idea to raise people up. Maybe they thought of this idea, and no other church would do it.

[Cetil]

There's a priest in the Archdiocese—and a very good one at that, pray for him!—that offers both the Extraordinary—one Tuesdays, Wednesdays and Thursdays—and Ordinary Forms.  His Ordinary Form Masses with the exception of the primary Sunday 11am Mass are celebrated ad orientem, with crucifix and candles on the altar and a silent canon (as far as I am aware it's always the Roman).  He also occasionally celebrates the OF in Latin.

I honestly think that it's the only time I've ever been at the celebration of the Holy Mass according to the OF and been able to pay attention to what's happening.  This is good.  This is what brick-by-brick is all about.  This is the reform of the "reform".  Econe isn't going to swoop in and save the day.  Nor is Spokane.  It's going to happen within the diocese.  It has to happen in the diocese.  It's good priests like Father mentioned in the original post that are going to effect some real change in the Church.

Has Father said he will no longer celebrate the EF?  No.  Will it remove the EF from its scheduled Saturday slot?  I doubt it.  He's doing a service for his diocese and the faithful by offering a reverent OF when the sad facts remain that the majority people still do not care for the EF.  Does that mean they should be denied a good liturgy?

I have to agree. So long as they are not being forced to say it and they are not replacing the TLM I don't see a problem.

C.

[City Smurf]

It's a step back. The NO priest should upgrade, not the traditional priest downgrade. Maybe they didn't compute that when analyzing their great idea to raise people up. Maybe they thought of this idea, and no other church would do it.

And how are the other clergy and laity meant to upgrade?  For many it's far too much of a shock to just jump over.  It generally takes a long time and it's always best for them to have something to transition with.  And the good Father is offering such an opportunity for them to do so.  He's setting an example for the regular OF clergy.

[Phillipus Iacobus]

Has one doctrinal brick of the Second Vatican Council been removed? Are we just gonna sweep doctrine underneath the rug?