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« Reply #10 on: April 29, 2012, 04:39:PM » |
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When I was in México everybody did it. However, I notice in the US that not everyone does.
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« Reply #11 on: April 29, 2012, 05:07:PM » |
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A while ago—a good few months—I was sitting in the pew at church (Ordinary Form) when I couldn't make it to my regular Mass. There was a young Indian man who came in just after the start of Mass. He did a strange thing; something I haven't seen before. He genuflected and as he stood in the pew he made the little crosses on forehead, breast and heart and then the regular sign of the cross. Have you ever came across it before? Is it an Asian practise? And no it wasn't the Gospel  . I see it in the Philippines all the time, so yeah, probably more of an Asian thing. C. |
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« Reply #12 on: April 29, 2012, 09:04:PM » |
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My wife does the extra large cross and kiss after the three small crosses before then Gospel.
The nuns in Colombia taught her it was required to "seal" the sign of the cross.
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« Reply #13 on: April 29, 2012, 09:17:PM » |
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From our very own FE website: http://fisheaters.com/sign.html#2When passing by or upon entering a church, many Mexicans make this form of the sign (with the thumb laid over the index finger to form a cross) -- on the forehead, lips, and mouth -- while praying the words, "Por la senal de la Santa Cruz, de nuestros enemigos libranos Señor Dios Nuestro" -- "By the sign of the Holy Cross deliver us, Lord, from our enemies." This is followed by the regular sign of the Cross outlined above (whose words in Spanish are, "En el nombre del Padre, y del Hijo, y del Espiritu Santo, amen") and the kissing of the Cross made by the thumb laid over the index finger. They refer to the first sign as "signing oneself" ("signarse") and the second action as "blessing oneself" ("santiguarse"). Yes, I am familiar with that as well. I never thought of it as an "air kiss," just as a thumb kiss.
It's not an "air kiss". Like the above quote says, it's kissing the cross made by the thumb laid over the index finger. You don't kiss the air or an invinsible cross. You kiss the center of the cross(thumb knuckle) while forming the cross with your fingers. So one kisses the cross. It is a beautiful Latin tradition. Kissing the cross (as we do on Good Friday) is an ancient gesture of devotion. This started in Spain. And today, it is seen more in Latin-America. It is called "Besando la Cruz". In Mexico, the Cristeros propagated it. |
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« Reply #14 on: April 29, 2012, 11:11:PM » |
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Yes, I am familiar with that as well. I never thought of it as an "air kiss," just as a thumb kiss.
Sometimes, after making the sign of the cross, a person will trace the sign of the cross with his thumb, and then kiss that. Or, so a priest at a Mexican-immigrant parish told me (where the custom was quite prevalent). yeah we totally do that too here in the Philippines, now i know why we always kissed our thumb for "amen". It's like we're holding the crucifix of an imaginary rosary to kiss  |
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« Reply #15 on: April 30, 2012, 06:36:AM » |
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Do you mean the mouth or the breast? I usually do forehead, mouth and chest (or heart). On the forehead: "By the sign of the Holy Cross"; on the mouth: "from our enemies"; on the chest: "free us Lord, Our God", then we do the usual Sign of the Cross. I thought it was an universal practice  Sorry it was a typo. I meant to say the forehead, mouth and breast. |
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« Reply #16 on: April 30, 2012, 09:20:AM » |
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Yes, I am familiar with that as well. I never thought of it as an "air kiss," just as a thumb kiss.
Italians (sometimes my fiancee) do that, too. I actually like these little cultural differences a lot. |
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« Reply #17 on: April 30, 2012, 09:27:AM » |
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From our very own FE website: http://fisheaters.com/sign.html#2When passing by or upon entering a church, many Mexicans make this form of the sign (with the thumb laid over the index finger to form a cross) -- on the forehead, lips, and mouth -- while praying the words, "Por la senal de la Santa Cruz, de nuestros enemigos libranos Señor Dios Nuestro" -- "By the sign of the Holy Cross deliver us, Lord, from our enemies." This is followed by the regular sign of the Cross outlined above (whose words in Spanish are, "En el nombre del Padre, y del Hijo, y del Espiritu Santo, amen") and the kissing of the Cross made by the thumb laid over the index finger. They refer to the first sign as "signing oneself" ("signarse") and the second action as "blessing oneself" ("santiguarse"). Yes, I am familiar with that as well. I never thought of it as an "air kiss," just as a thumb kiss.
It's not an "air kiss". Like the above quote says, it's kissing the cross made by the thumb laid over the index finger. You don't kiss the air or an invinsible cross. You kiss the center of the cross(thumb knuckle) while forming the cross with your fingers. So one kisses the cross. It is a beautiful Latin tradition. Kissing the cross (as we do on Good Friday) is an ancient gesture of devotion. This started in Spain. And today, it is seen more in Latin-America. It is called "Besando la Cruz". In Mexico, the Cristeros propagated it. Interesting. I saw some young Indians doing the triple seal of the cross before making a larger sign of the cross today - just as the OP described. I make the sign of the cross with my thumb and the next two fingers joined to represent the trinity. I thought that was standard. |
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« Reply #18 on: April 30, 2012, 05:03:PM » |
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Nice traditions.
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« Reply #19 on: April 30, 2012, 05:17:PM » |
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edit: has already been said  haha |
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