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« Reply #10 on: May 01, 2012, 05:46:PM » |
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The reason I love watching those cheesy ancient alien shows is not for the alien stuff, but because they talk about really neat ancient monuments/buildings I had no idea existed. Yes! Me too! Especially pre-Colombian Americas (i.e. the H blocks in Puma Punku). |
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« Reply #11 on: May 01, 2012, 06:32:PM » |
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This topic reminds me something I have often wondered. How could people look so different in only five thousand years? For example; look at a person from Asia as compared to a person from North America.
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« Reply #12 on: May 01, 2012, 08:50:PM » |
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I thought it had something to do with latent genes, so that if something triggered it, your skin might turn dark to cope with sunny climes, or eyes narrow to deal with sun. Entropy is the energy lost in an exchange, and it drives the arrow of time.
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Then what's the one that states that everything "wears out" over time? |
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« Reply #13 on: May 01, 2012, 09:01:PM » |
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This topic reminds me something I have often wondered. How could people look so different in only five thousand years? For example; look at a person from Asia as compared to a person from North America.
Not really that hard. For instance, my sister doesn't look anything at all like our parents - or grandparents for that matter. And that happened in only a generation! |
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« Reply #14 on: May 03, 2012, 12:35:PM » |
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...entropy (another bothersome damned law for evolutionists!)
At the risk of inviting more hate mail from the Biblical literalists (I'm not sure why I bother with this stuff at all anymore), evolutionists have absolutely no problem with entropy. Entropy is only a problem in a closed system. The earth is not a closed system. It gets a rather large continuous energy input from the sun. Problem solved.  |
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« Reply #15 on: May 03, 2012, 05:38:PM » |
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Well, Charles Coulombe suggests that since the fall, man has slowly degenerated. He uses early archaeological humans to support this, as early bones show humans with larger... everything, basically. Larger heads, larger bodies, etc. He says looking at the human evolutionary evidence, there has been a denigration in physical characteristics. He doesn't posit this super seriously, but offers it anecdotally. Makes sense to me.
Also, when there were only 2, 10, 100 or even 10,000 people on earth, it would seem there were less diseases and less sickness because the gene pool hadn't been big enough to fill up with all the ones we have now. As time goes on and more people come into the world, more diseases show up and people live less and less longer.
Basically, the ages in genesis are literal and humans have de-volved since the fall.
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"THE LORD is my light and my salvation, whom shall I fear? The Lord is the protector of my life: of whom shall I be afraid?" (Psalm 26:1)
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"I love truth," says he, "and not sects. I am sometimes a peripatetic, a stoic, or an academician, and often none of them; but—always a Christian. To philosophise is to love wisdom; and the true wisdom is Jesus Christ. Let us read the historians, the poets, and the philosophers; but let us have in our hearts the gospel of Jesus Christ, in which alone is perfect wisdom and perfect happiness." — Petrarch
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« Reply #16 on: May 03, 2012, 10:14:PM » |
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...entropy (another bothersome damned law for evolutionists!)
At the risk of inviting more hate mail from the Biblical literalists (I'm not sure why I bother with this stuff at all anymore), evolutionists have absolutely no problem with entropy. Entropy is only a problem in a closed system. The earth is not a closed system. It gets a rather large continuous energy input from the sun. Problem solved. Eternal matter ehh? |
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"This much I would have you know: so long, I say,
as nothing in my conscience troubles me
I am prepared for Fortune, come what may"
"We sleep here in obedience;
When duty called, we came;
When country called, we died."
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« Reply #17 on: May 04, 2012, 12:20:PM » |
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...entropy (another bothersome damned law for evolutionists!)
At the risk of inviting more hate mail from the Biblical literalists (I'm not sure why I bother with this stuff at all anymore), evolutionists have absolutely no problem with entropy. Entropy is only a problem in a closed system. The earth is not a closed system. It gets a rather large continuous energy input from the sun. Problem solved. Eternal matter ehh?  I have no idea what you mean by that, or how it relates to my comment. |
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« Reply #18 on: May 04, 2012, 05:58:PM » |
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Eternal matter. The idea that everything in the world just keeps going and going and going.... Just as it sounds. Its more the theological fruits of evolution, since they needed to create a source for the big bang, and since everything keeps evolving, you have an eternal universe. In a way, evolution becomes God. I'm not too familiar with de Chardin's actual works, but I know he did come up with some half-baked idea of Christ saving humanity through evolution too.
So when you say that the sun will keep providing energy in an open system....
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"This much I would have you know: so long, I say,
as nothing in my conscience troubles me
I am prepared for Fortune, come what may"
"We sleep here in obedience;
When duty called, we came;
When country called, we died."
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« Reply #19 on: May 04, 2012, 11:35:PM » |
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The Catholic teaching is that these ages are exactly as they are chronicled in Genesis. This makes perfect sense for the reasons Tim and Vetus have given; furthermore, the long life spans explain, mechanically, how Moses was able to compose the history of the world (I believe there would have been fewer than eight men who would have passed down this knowledge.)
A lot of traditional interpretation was lost in the last two centuries with the embrace of so-called evolution and the heliocentric model. Even holy churchmen doubted the Word and gave wiggle room for these perspectives (the former which is categorically not acceptable, the latter contradictory to Scripture and the Fathers- and incidentally not how we do calculations of space-borne vehicles.)
One of the most fascinating studies of early Earth is the pre-Flood and pre-Fall times. The latter is essentially impossible for us to comprehend as it preceded all death and destruction in the entire universe. The former is more approachable: the Fathers believed that there was one land mass, and this would explain the old structures that confound us today.
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