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« on: April 30, 2012, 08:56:PM » |
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I've heard many different ideas on when it is too late to show up for Mass for the Mass to fulfill your obligation.
I have been told that if you arrive after the gospel it's too late. I've also been told the cutoff time is the offeratory and also that the cutoff time is the consecration. Anyone know of any official teaching on this?
It's rarely an issue for me, but I always wonder about it when it happens. It's pretty important.
In my case, this past Sunday I showed up in the middle of the Gospel. I didn't receive communion, just in case.
Can one still receive communion if one comes in past the cutoff point?
Thanks in advance!
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« Reply #1 on: April 30, 2012, 09:07:PM » |
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I believe the cut-off point is when the priest removes the pall from the chalice, right at the beginning of the Offertory. N.B. that on a day when you're obliged to hear Mass, it's a venial sin to be late through your own fault and a mortal sin to be too late through your own fault. Not that I'm saying you did it on purpose, just getting that out there  |
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« Reply #2 on: April 30, 2012, 09:10:PM » |
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If you make it before the Offertory, you're in like Flynn. The reason being, most people (if they're honest) would just as soon skip the sermon if they could. And Holy Mother Church, like a good mother, is always looking for ways to make the lives of her children pleasant.
A pity more people don't take advantage of the leeway. It might encourage priests to yak less. Unlikely, but possible.
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« Reply #3 on: April 30, 2012, 09:29:PM » |
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The window is when the veil is off the chalice. So you would also need to stay until after the ablutions. If you show up late, for no fault of your own, and you believe you can receive worthily, then go ahead and do that. If you show up late through your fault, even if through negligence (like partying the night before and sleeping though your alarm), then don't receive, and confess that ASAP.
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« Reply #4 on: April 30, 2012, 10:31:PM » |
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The window is when the veil is off the chalice. So you would also need to stay until after the ablutions. If you show up late, for no fault of your own, and you believe you can receive worthily, then go ahead and do that. If you show up late through your fault, even if through negligence (like partying the night before and sleeping though your alarm), then don't receive, and confess that ASAP.
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« Reply #5 on: April 30, 2012, 11:41:PM » |
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Technically, you're just out of bounds after the offertory.
But the true spirit of liturgical worship demands that you attend the whole mass.
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« Reply #6 on: May 01, 2012, 12:07:PM » |
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If you make it before the Offertory, you're in like Flynn. The reason being, most people (if they're honest) would just as soon skip the sermon if they could. And Holy Mother Church, like a good mother, is always looking for ways to make the lives of her children pleasant.
A pity more people don't take advantage of the leeway. It might encourage priests to yak less. Unlikely, but possible.
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« Reply #7 on: May 03, 2012, 12:14:AM » |
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Thanks for clarifying this, guys! It rarely happens to me, but it's good to know what to do when it does happen.
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« Reply #8 on: May 03, 2012, 12:21:AM » |
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At my chapel, we ring the bell when the priest unveils the chalice. This comes from an Old World tradition where the men would all be smoking outside and they'd ring the bell to inform them they were all about to miss their Sunday obligation.
I'll second what Dr Bombay said. In fact, I have it on good word. One priest, talking about the sermon, said the rule of thumb is: "The first 15 minutes are for God, the second for yourself, and the third for the devil." Keep it under 15!
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« Reply #9 on: May 03, 2012, 06:49:PM » |
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Technically, you're just out of bounds after the offertory.
But the true spirit of liturgical worship demands that you attend the whole mass.
Unless it's a weekday. I have it from a trad priest that it's okay if you're running late due to some necessity. |
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