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Author Topic: How can I form my mind to be more Catholic?  (Read 2881 times)
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« Reply #60 on: June 08, 2012, 04:31:PM »

It's a work in progress for me to say the least but I am slowly working on trying to be more Catholic in all that I do. One of the things I absolutely had to do was to get rid of all the bad music that I had once and for all. There was no way I could keep listening to Morbid Angel's Altars of Madness, Deprecated's Deriding His Creation or Venom's Black Metal if I were to be a real Catholic. The death metal stuff had to go. Nothing was more contradictory than going to Mass and trying to be a pious Catholic but getting home and going for a jog while listening to some blatantly satanic metal record despite my enjoyment of the energy in it and how it may have pumped me up enough to push through my workout. Another thing was the TV. I just stopped watching it altogether and have been happier because of it. One's choice of music and TV programs, movies etc. really have a huge effect on ones mind but it took a long time to figure that out for me. Finally I had to give up being around certain people, especially those I used to go to metal shows with. That hasn't been hard because I don't live in the same State as they do anymore but still, if I did it would be difficult.

The hardest thing of all has been how difficult it can be to really go against the grain and be Catholic when there is so little support for it, at least in my own small circle. When you really step back you realize that from a Catholic perspective at least this culture is way off the deep end and there are certain things that we really must try to fight against in our own lives and keep away from.

For me now it's mostly about trying not to be too judgemental of those around me when I can't be around other Catholics. Face it, we must live and work in an environment where we will be misunderstood and not everyone has even really been exposed to the Church the way we have. We can't be too hard on them or they will just probably push us away or discredit the Faith based on their impression of us.

The things that are indispensible for me to keep the Faith in my situation is to pray often, listen to chant and audio sermons, surround my living space with icons and other sacred images and do some form of spiritual reading every day. I know that I need these things as reminders. You have to try to create a space for yourself where you can learn your faith better and immerse yourself in it. Even if it's just for ten minutes find a church where you can spend time with our Lord. Maybe bring a spiritual book with you or just say a decade of the rosary. I know I have to be connected constantly even if it's in a small way like just saying an Our Father or a Hail Mary when it's busy.
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« Reply #61 on: June 08, 2012, 11:58:PM »

It's a work in progress for me to say the least but I am slowly working on trying to be more Catholic in all that I do. One of the things I absolutely had to do was to get rid of all the bad music that I had once and for all. There was no way I could keep listening to Morbid Angel's Altars of Madness, Deprecated's Deriding His Creation or Venom's Black Metal if I were to be a real Catholic. The death metal stuff had to go. Nothing was more contradictory than going to Mass and trying to be a pious Catholic but getting home and going for a jog while listening to some blatantly satanic metal record despite my enjoyment of the energy in it and how it may have pumped me up enough to push through my workout. Another thing was the TV. I just stopped watching it altogether and have been happier because of it. One's choice of music and TV programs, movies etc. really have a huge effect on ones mind but it took a long time to figure that out for me. Finally I had to give up being around certain people, especially those I used to go to metal shows with. That hasn't been hard because I don't live in the same State as they do anymore but still, if I did it would be difficult.
Metal and forms of rock have had the stigma of being "Satanic" for a while (mostly due to panic in the 70s and 80s), however, very little of it is Satanic at all and what mentions it is often satire (accused of reversed Satanic messages, so they put some in in the next album, etc).

Pop music is far more dangerous. It is all about the flesh.

Most people will find the sound of the song with these lyrics to be revolting:

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The Moon, she hangs like a cruel portrait
Soft winds whisper the bidding of trees
As this tragedy starts with a shattered glass heart
And the Midnightmare trampling of dreams
But oh, no tears please
Fear and pain may accompany Death
But it is desire that shepherds it's certainty
As We shall see...

Whereas this gets public radio time:

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D,D,D,D,Don't let me die young, I just want you to father my young
I just want you to be my docta, we can get it crackin' chiropractor, I, I, I, I

I,I,I I know you can save me
And make me feel alive

Make me come alive
Come on turn me on
Touch me, save my life
Come on and turn me on
I'm too young to die
Come on and turn me on
Turn me on
Turn me on
Turn me on
Turn me on

So, to be more Catholic is not just to reject what is not common, but to reject what is common as well. Too many times I see those in the Church reject what is not familiar to the culture, yet be blind to what is familiar. The guiding principle is usually what is socially acceptable, not what is objectively good.
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« Reply #62 on: June 09, 2012, 12:16:AM »

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The Moon, she hangs like a cruel portrait
Soft winds whisper the bidding of trees
As this tragedy starts with a shattered glass heart
And the Midnightmare trampling of dreams
But oh, no tears please
Fear and pain may accompany Death
But it is desire that shepherds it's certainty
As We shall see...

But that sounds like an ode to suicide, the devil's sacrament. Is that a death metal track?
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« Reply #63 on: June 09, 2012, 04:20:PM »

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The Moon, she hangs like a cruel portrait
Soft winds whisper the bidding of trees
As this tragedy starts with a shattered glass heart
And the Midnightmare trampling of dreams
But oh, no tears please
Fear and pain may accompany Death
But it is desire that shepherds it's certainty
As We shall see...

But that sounds like an ode to suicide, the devil's sacrament. Is that a death metal track?

If you did not know the general source, would you have thought that?

It is the introduction of a song which tells a story (not involving suicide at all). The point that the sound of the music is what is normally rejected. It "sounds" and "looks" Satanic and it does not appeal to the general public. It is complex, and harsh.

However, that is not what Satanic is. Satanic is alluring, attractive. It appeals to the senses. It encourages one to relax, be calm, be content in this life. Satanism is not symbols and black and ghouls, but a perverted Garden of Eden which appeals to our senses.

That is to say, that "Satanic" music is in fact music which appeals to the most base elements of humanity. The rhythm, the catch, the worldly lyrics, the messages of pop music are Satanic. Why would a demon care about the minority when it is so easy to infect the majority?

Now, that metal song lyric bit I gave was from a band which is decidedly not wholesome by any means, but I think objectively it is not as bad as what is played on the radio in the grocery store.

The song is about a witch hunt/lynching told from the perspective of one of the accused. I looked at the entire lyrics again to get more detail, and it seems, when one looks past the imagery of the lyrics, based on popular misconception of the historical reality of "witch hunts" (or, since the writer is English, it may be about the Anglican perspective as I often see the English referencing when they are against Christianity).

I do not think there is much to be gained by giving more detail, but if anybody is particularly interested in it, I can give the source and the music video. Most would find the music video to be unpalatable I think (and it is), however, it is far better than the typical displays of the pop world, both in visuals and in sound. The pop crowd would reject it as being ugly, disturbing, and "Satanic", whereas they all bow down to their idol of the flesh and their prophets, the highest paid harlots (to put it mildly). The imagery of the metal song is of death, paleness and darkness. It is opposed to God (in several ways), but it is also opposed to the idol most used by Satan, the idol of complacency and of the flesh.

I think the style would be called symphonic black metal.

I think it would be less scandalous to post the video of the metal song because it would not probably lead anyone to sin (most would turn it off I think), whereas the video (if there is one, I have no desire to look at that stuff, even in research) of the pop song is probably very inappropriate if how the "singer" dresses and acts in public is any indication of what it is like.
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« Reply #64 on: June 09, 2012, 04:24:PM »

This is not a defense of any music, but a caution to be wary of what is more insidious, that which is popular, common, and possibly even seen as normal.

Niche forms of music are known to be limited in appeal by their fans, and many fans may prefer that, and many when seeking spiritual growth give up their metal or underground music. People also give up videos they previously watched in secrecy which are very inappropriate. But it is more rare to see someone turn off the TV and radio.

Giving up the relative extremes is good, and somewhat easy. Giving up the alluring middle is more difficult for those trapped in it.
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« Reply #65 on: June 09, 2012, 10:17:PM »

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listen to chant and audio sermons, surround my living space with icons and other sacred images and do some form of spiritual reading every day.

Keep it up! Thanks be to the Good Shepherd!

Music forms our character. Aristotle said of various kinds of music, "the various modes may be distinguished by their effects on character. One, for example, fosters melancholy, another effeminacy; one encourages abandonment, another, self-control, another, enthusiasm, and so on."

Most don't think of how 'entertainment' provokes the emotional life and forms moral and interior character. This is a culture that is corrupt, and sees various emotional stimulations like gourmets or connoisseurs to be appreciated for their delights without awareness of moral or character consequences.

Silence and sacred chant will help form better character, the spiritual reading will make up the Christian environment that in almost all cases does not exist in the world.. especially the saints will impart true Christian society, family, conversation..  Always the saints..

Over time through building up interior virtue and exterior virtue you will be more resistant to the pressures surrounding a Christian in this society, though one always has to live separate from it to a great degree, or the dirt and dust of it will build up and spoil everything.

Interior virtue once formed is a great and precious thing.
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« Reply #66 on: June 14, 2012, 08:47:AM »

The advice about popular and mainstream pop music is good.

Because somethings is seen as "normal" or "socially acceptable" doesn't mean is good.

For JayneK:

Read the writings of Nicolás Gómez Dávila:

don-colacho.blogspot.com

A great Catholic thinker from the XX century, a criticizer of the modern world.

Blessings!

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