The revolt of the liberal Catholic bishops

[dueSicile]

CP & Sebastian,

They're resorting to the first amendment because they've already acquiesced Catholicism as just an option in the world of religion.  That said, there's nothing wrong with appealing to the (secular) law in matters like this, but they're not appealing to the secular law out of concern for Catholicism, they're appealing to the secular law out of concern for religious liberty and freedom of conscience.  They are appealing to a godless country to preserve a modernist doctrine. 

You're right.  They should demand the federal government outlaw the practice of every religion except Catholicism.  Stupid bishops.  There's a brilliant move waiting to be made right in front of them and they refuse to make it.  Disgraceful.

If that didn't cause a greater evil, that would be ideal. All other religions are evil.

[jovan66102]

CP & Sebastian,

They're resorting to the first amendment because they've already acquiesced Catholicism as just an option in the world of religion.  That said, there's nothing wrong with appealing to the (secular) law in matters like this, but they're not appealing to the secular law out of concern for Catholicism, they're appealing to the secular law out of concern for religious liberty and freedom of conscience.  They are appealing to a godless country to preserve a modernist doctrine. 

Mith, thank you. My attitude exactly.

[DrBombay]

CP & Sebastian,

They're resorting to the first amendment because they've already acquiesced Catholicism as just an option in the world of religion.  That said, there's nothing wrong with appealing to the (secular) law in matters like this, but they're not appealing to the secular law out of concern for Catholicism, they're appealing to the secular law out of concern for religious liberty and freedom of conscience.  They are appealing to a godless country to preserve a modernist doctrine. 

You're right.  They should demand the federal government outlaw the practice of every religion except Catholicism.  Stupid bishops.  There's a brilliant move waiting to be made right in front of them and they refuse to make it.  Disgraceful.

If that didn't cause a greater evil, that would be ideal. All other religions are evil.

Yeah, that's kinda the point I was making.  I'm glad it wasn't totally opaque. 

[Tim]

The old liberals are dying, but now is the rise of the neo-con.  The fight goes on.

tim

[Resurrexi]

It's pretty clear that the bishops aren't supporting "religious liberty" out of a principled belief that all religions are equal or are worthy of respect by the state. I doubt they'd care if the Buddhists were having their religious liberty taken away. Rather, they are arguing for the liberty of the Church by appealing to the only law which all Americans recognize: the Constitution.

[Mithrandylan]

It's pretty clear that the bishops aren't supporting "religious liberty" out of a principled belief that all religions are equal or are worthy of respect by the state. I doubt they'd care if the Buddhists were having their religious liberty taken away. Rather, they are arguing for the liberty of the Church by appealing to the only law which all Americans recognize: the Constitution.

That's why the USCCB is putting flyers in diocesan bulletins advertising rallies for religious freedom.  Got it.

[MRose]

The old liberals are dying, but now is the rise of the neo-con.  The fight goes on.

tim

And in some ways this is even more dangerous, because the neo-con's can appear to be orthodox and even traditional at times. Plus, many conflate conservative/neo-con with trad - see, for example, the recent Wall Street Journalarticle "Traditional Catholicism is Winning," which was all about how "conservative," "orthodox" dioceses have all the seminarians and that is because they are orthodox and this is traditional.

[INPEFESS]

It's pretty clear that the bishops aren't supporting "religious liberty" out of a principled belief that all religions are equal or are worthy of respect by the state. I doubt they'd care if the Buddhists were having their religious liberty taken away. Rather, they are arguing for the liberty of the Church by appealing to the only law which all Americans recognize: the Constitution.

That's why the USCCB is putting flyers in diocesan bulletins advertising rallies for religious freedom.  Got it.

Yes, believe it or not, but I was listening to EWTN, and that is all they seem to be pushing: religious freedom. "It's wrong because it interferes with your God-given right to freely practice your religion!" Finally, a caller called in and asked why Catholics aren't opposing the HS mandate on the basis that it offends God and is contrary to the natural law and the teaching of the Catholic Church.

Well, at least I thought it was a good question.

[Mithrandylan]

It's pretty clear that the bishops aren't supporting "religious liberty" out of a principled belief that all religions are equal or are worthy of respect by the state. I doubt they'd care if the Buddhists were having their religious liberty taken away. Rather, they are arguing for the liberty of the Church by appealing to the only law which all Americans recognize: the Constitution.

That's why the USCCB is putting flyers in diocesan bulletins advertising rallies for religious freedom.  Got it.

Yes, believe it or not, but I was listening to EWTN, and that is all they seem to be pushing: religious freedom. "It's wrong because it interferes with your God-given right to freely practice your religion!" Finally, a caller called in and asked why Catholics aren't opposing the HS mandate on the basis that it offends God and is contrary to the natural law and the teaching of the Catholic Church.

Well, at least I thought it was a good question.

Indeed.  It's really a shame.  I was actuall excited about the HHS mandate for a little because I was like "here's an opportunity for all the bishops (or most) to get on the same team and condemn a time-old wrong."  Well, they did, but they didn't do it because it was against the Catholic faith.  So it's almost worse that way.  I don't even bother with that catholic radio (except wfts) because all I hear all day long is "the God-given right of religious freedom."  What an absolute shame. 

And I'll tell you something else, when we had to go to the diocesan required marriage retreat ( I swear if I have kids they're getting married through sspx if things don't change) they spent the livelong day about why you shouldn't use contraception... it gives you cancer, it gives you aids, it gives you cancer, it gives you cancer (which, btw-- is based on correlative evidence, not causative evidence) AND, you shouldn't use contraception because "NFP is better."  Not once was contraception said to be sinful or even a mortal sin.  The newchurch teaches that things are wrong not because they offend God or are contrary to church teaching, but because they, in one way or another, inhibit the "happiness of the individual" or "impede upon quality of life."  The newchurch has it's mission to make sure everyone is comfortable on earth while they follow flexible arbitrary rules.  I'm gonna stop before I start using foul language.

[Phillipus Iacobus]

Oh Dylan, you're just exaggerating. Taking things out of context. Don't be a schismatic, traditional fuddy duddy. That's just as bad as liberal dissidents, don't you know!

Stick with God's rottweiler, especially through this new springtime. Don't be so disobedient, bordering on schism.