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« Reply #30 on: May 26, 2012, 03:05:PM » |
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things are wrong not because they offend God or are contrary to church teaching, but because they, in one way or another, inhibit the "happiness of the individual" . . .
That's basically what St. Thomas said as well. |
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« Reply #31 on: May 26, 2012, 03:37:PM » |
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things are wrong not because they offend God or are contrary to church teaching, but because they, in one way or another, inhibit the "happiness of the individual" . . .
That's basically what St. Thomas said as well. St Thomas knew that the happiness of the individual was fulfilled in God. |
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« Reply #32 on: May 26, 2012, 05:11:PM » |
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It's pretty clear that the bishops aren't supporting "religious liberty" out of a principled belief that all religions are equal or are worthy of respect by the state. I doubt they'd care if the Buddhists were having their religious liberty taken away. Rather, they are arguing for the liberty of the Church by appealing to the only law which all Americans recognize: the Constitution.
And yet any time the Buddhists or any other pagan or infidel cult thinks it's threatened the USCCB is right there beside them, filing an amicus curiae brief defending 'religious freedom'. |
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« Reply #33 on: May 26, 2012, 09:41:PM » |
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It's pretty clear that the bishops aren't supporting "religious liberty" out of a principled belief that all religions are equal or are worthy of respect by the state. I doubt they'd care if the Buddhists were having their religious liberty taken away. Rather, they are arguing for the liberty of the Church by appealing to the only law which all Americans recognize: the Constitution.
And yet any time the Buddhists or any other pagan or infidel cult thinks it's threatened the USCCB is right there beside them, filing an amicus curiae brief defending 'religious freedom'. Because a legal precedent that inhibits Buddhists' free exercise also affects Catholics. For better or worse--actually, surely for worse--we live under a government that treats--or at least tries to treat--all religions equally. This isn't going to change until we have a Catholic (super-)majority. Until we get that Catholic (super-)majority, we would do best to support the freedom of the Church under the existing system, even if that means working for freedom for other religions as well. |
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« Reply #34 on: May 26, 2012, 10:07:PM » |
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And I'll tell you something else, when we had to go to the diocesan required marriage retreat ( I swear if I have kids they're getting married through sspx if things don't change) they spent the livelong day about why you shouldn't use contraception... it gives you cancer, it gives you aids, it gives you cancer, it gives you cancer (which, btw-- is based on correlative evidence, not causative evidence) AND, you shouldn't use contraception because "NFP is better." Not once was contraception said to be sinful or even a mortal sin. The newchurch teaches that things are wrong not because they offend God or are contrary to church teaching, but because they, in one way or another, inhibit the "happiness of the individual" or "impede upon quality of life." The newchurch has it's mission to make sure everyone is comfortable on earth while they follow flexible arbitrary rules. I'm gonna stop before I start using foul language.
Exactly. I suspect much of this comes from Humanae Vitae, which focusing on the social ills of birthcontrol rather than its objectively disordered nature. A forum member here sent me a really good article on this. If you're interested, I will send it to you. |
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I n N omine P atris, E t F ilii, E t S piritus S ancti "The practice of the Church has always been the same, as is shown by the unanimous teaching of the Fathers, who were wont to hold as outside Catholic communion, and alien to the Church, whoever would recede in the least degree from any point of doctrine proposed by her authoritative magisterium" (Pope Leo XIII, Satis Cognitum, no. 9, June 29, 1896). “Wherefore, brethren, labour the more, that by good works you may make sure your calling and election. For doing these things, you shall not sin at any time” (2 Peter 1:10).
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« Reply #35 on: May 26, 2012, 11:17:PM » |
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And I'll tell you something else, when we had to go to the diocesan required marriage retreat ( I swear if I have kids they're getting married through sspx if things don't change) they spent the livelong day about why you shouldn't use contraception... it gives you cancer, it gives you aids, it gives you cancer, it gives you cancer (which, btw-- is based on correlative evidence, not causative evidence) AND, you shouldn't use contraception because "NFP is better." Not once was contraception said to be sinful or even a mortal sin. The newchurch teaches that things are wrong not because they offend God or are contrary to church teaching, but because they, in one way or another, inhibit the "happiness of the individual" or "impede upon quality of life." The newchurch has it's mission to make sure everyone is comfortable on earth while they follow flexible arbitrary rules. I'm gonna stop before I start using foul language.
Exactly. I suspect much of this comes from Humanae Vitae, which focusing on the social ills of birthcontrol rather than its objectively disordered nature. A forum member here sent me a really good article on this. If you're interested, I will send it to you. Yes, please. |
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« Reply #36 on: May 26, 2012, 11:19:PM » |
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« Reply #37 on: May 26, 2012, 11:23:PM » |
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Sure! I will see if I can find it . . . |
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I n N omine P atris, E t F ilii, E t S piritus S ancti "The practice of the Church has always been the same, as is shown by the unanimous teaching of the Fathers, who were wont to hold as outside Catholic communion, and alien to the Church, whoever would recede in the least degree from any point of doctrine proposed by her authoritative magisterium" (Pope Leo XIII, Satis Cognitum, no. 9, June 29, 1896). “Wherefore, brethren, labour the more, that by good works you may make sure your calling and election. For doing these things, you shall not sin at any time” (2 Peter 1:10).
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« Reply #38 on: May 26, 2012, 11:53:PM » |
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Not often you see trads wishing that Paul VI had been more modern!  |
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« Reply #39 on: May 27, 2012, 12:05:AM » |
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Not often you see trads wishing that Paul VI had been more modern! I'm not sure how consequentialist arguments for the immorality of a particular act are particularly pre-modern. |
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