Fish Eaters Traditional Catholic Forum
May 22, 2013, 12:12:PM *
Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.

Login with username, password and session length
News: The man still needs help!
 
   Fish Eaters    Forum Index   Forum Rules   Help Calendar Members Chat Room   Who's Chatting   Login Register  
Pages: 1 [2]
 
Author Topic: Etienne Gilson: Good guy or problematic?  (Read 3210 times)
Crusading Philologist
Member

Gender: Male
Personality type: Melancholic-Choleric, INTJ
Posts: 3,412



« Reply #10 on: June 08, 2012, 09:54:PM »

I don't think Gilson was ever heavily involved with the nouvelle theologie. He supported Henri de Lubac's work on grace and nature, and some of the letters between the two have actually been published, but that's about it.

I really disagree with this.  I think Gilson is often considered, at least in part, one of the key players of the movement.

The wiki article on Nouvelle Theologie states:

Quote
The theologians usually associated with Nouvelle Théologie are Henri de Lubac, Pierre Teilhard de Chardin, Hans Urs von Balthasar, Yves Congar, Karl Rahner, Hans Küng, Edward Schillebeeckx, Marie-Dominique Chenu, Louis Bouyer, Étienne Gilson, Jean Daniélou, Jean Mouroux and Joseph Ratzinger (now Pope Benedict XVI).

I could be wrong, but I don't see Gilson mentioned that often in discussions of the nouvelle theologie. I think the big names tend to be people like Balthasar, Lubac, Rahner, Chenu, Congar, Schillebeeckx, and so forth.

However, I suppose it is possible that Gilson's interpretation of St. Thomas, which broke with the neo-scholastics on at least a few points, might have been important in the development of the nouvelle theologie, especially when you consider the fact that theologians were often lumped in with the nouvelle theologie because of their opposition to at least some aspects of neo-scholasticism rather than as a result of any shared positive elements in their work. I think I've posted this before, but here is Gilson giving his opinion of certain scholastic theologians and philosophers:

Quote
People conjure up a Thomism after the manner of the Schools, a sort of dull rationalism which panders to the kind of deism that most of them, deep down, really prefer to teach.

He also accused them of creating a "brew of watered-down philosophica aristotelico thomistica concocted to give off a vague deism fit only for the use of right-thinking candidates for high school diplomas and Arts degrees."
Logged

Loyalty to a doctrine ends in adherence to the interpretation we give it.
Only loyalty to a person frees us from all self-complacency. - Nicolás Gómez Dávila
Crusading Philologist
Member

Gender: Male
Personality type: Melancholic-Choleric, INTJ
Posts: 3,412



« Reply #11 on: June 11, 2012, 10:17:PM »

By the way, I wonder if there was ever any influence between Gilson and Heidegger. I started Being and Time the other day, and Heidegger's claim that the ontological tradition has been forgetful of being seems in some ways similar to Gilson's arguments about essence and existence. Of course, for Gilson the solution was a return to St. Thomas while Heidegger apparently thought that the St. Thomas was also guilty of this forgetfulness.
Logged

Loyalty to a doctrine ends in adherence to the interpretation we give it.
Only loyalty to a person frees us from all self-complacency. - Nicolás Gómez Dávila
Scotus
Member

Gender: Male
Posts: 628



« Reply #12 on: June 16, 2012, 09:34:AM »

I just have a hard time thinking that Gilson would wrote so many books on Thomism, only to take some modern turn.

How about Jacques Maritain?
Logged

"[L]et no man, how sinful soever he be, despair, so long as he liveth, of the infinite mercy of God; inasmuch as there is not a tree in the world so twisted and knotted and gnarled but may be fashioned and polished and beautiful by the hand of man; so likewise there is no man in this world so wicked and so sinful but God can convert him, and adorn him with singular graces and many gifts of virtue." - Br Giles (The Little Flowers of St Francis of Assisi)
Scriptorium
Aimed to Please
Member

Gender: Male
Posts: 5,507


In medio stat virtus


« Reply #13 on: July 08, 2012, 09:15:AM »

I am reading Nouvelle Theologie - New Theology: Inheritor of Modernism, Precursor of Vatican II by Jürgen Mettepenningen and he is barely mentioned. I don't think he played any part in that movement, but he was around, and it seemed like some of his ideas were influential to some more closely related, such as Chenu.
Logged

And whosoever diggeth a pit, Lord,
Shall fall in it, shall fall in it.
Whosoever diggeth a pit shall bury in it,
Shall bury in it.

If you are the big tree,
We are the small axe
Sharpened to cut you down,
Ready to cut you down.

- Bob Marley, Small Axe
Allan
Member

Gender: Male
Personality type: Never needed one
Posts: 1,506



« Reply #14 on: July 08, 2012, 10:56:AM »

According to the series Catholicism, Thomas Merton's own conversion came about after reading Gilson's Spirit of Medieval Philosophy - on a bus! 

I have since purchased this book, but have not read it as yet (it's apparently in reprint).
Logged

Remember, sometimes when you ask "WWJD?", the answer will be  "Knock over all the tables and trash the joint!"

“Nobody's perfect. Well, there was this one guy, but we killed him....”


Pages: 1 [2]
 
 
Jump to:  

Powered by SMF 1.1.8 | SMF © 2006-2008, Simple Machines LLC