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« Reply #10 on: June 14, 2012, 11:32:PM »

As opposed to playing into the hands of a people who only exist because the Byzantines were weak to resist them, didn't nip their satanic bullshit in the bud, and Western Europe did the exact same stupid crap that the Israelites did: compromised? Who, let us not forget, intended to wipe us out and tried not a few times. Who made it as far as Tours France and Vienna with blood in their minds.

You obviously didn't read what I wrote, I don't love war.

And for Zionists, let them call the wrath of God upon themselves, or convert in the trying.

But I'll be damned if I ever support capitulating to the mohammedan disease just to spite the Jews.

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« Reply #11 on: June 15, 2012, 01:28:AM »

Unlike you I don't hyperventilate about Arabs because those people don't know how to park a bicycle straight. I don't care anything for Islam but they attack us because of what we did in their countries. And guess what? I don't see Muslims controlling any aspect of our foreign policy: Jews do.

And while you don't seem to mind Israel they horribly murder Arab Christians and turn Palestinians into concentration camp inmates.
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« Reply #12 on: June 16, 2012, 01:32:PM »

Discounting the ability of the Arabs to wage destruction at the behest and demand of Islamic soteriology and eschatology, according to their particular schools of jurisprudence, is way beyond not trusting them to be a bike valet.

They've been attacking since they started, they spread themselves by the sword. How quickly we forget history and how it repeats itself today. To parrot the liberal line is just false. Bill Clinton says much of the same thing only he extends it back to the Crusades.

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYiCizcm9wA" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYiCizcm9wA</a>

Christopher Hitchens answers these sorts of charges with his usual panache here.

The Jews, as the davening, "leave me alone so I can be Jewish" type control almost nothing. The might-as-well-be-American Israeli-Jew who just focuses on his 9-5 and getting a beer after work is not a player in anything either. Any Jew who is a global mover is merely an ethnic Jew, and their Jewishness is but an afterthought or at the most, a vehicle to do their dirty deeds- just like anyone else, including Catholics like Pelosi and Biden.

The Palestinian concentration camp claim is something I cannot personally say is false or true, as I have seen nothing to indicate as such. I'd lean to absolute falsity, and further would ask you to then prove it. The Arab nations have a horrible track record of treating "palestinians" humanely, just ask any of the ones stuck in refugee camps in their true countries of ethnicity for generations simply to spite the Israelis and maintain a method of propaganda. In all truth, Palestinians do not exist. It's a made up ethnicity amalgamating Syrians, Lebanese, Egyptians and Jordanians.  Palestine as a name, as you might know, is a Roman name meant to punish the Jews after the Maccabean revolt. In Arabic, the name is Filistina. Or as I like to call it, Fallacioustine. Now, the name  Filistina is interesting as Arabic and Hebrew are very close, both originating from the Aramaic language. In short, the Romans were calling Israel Phillistine land. Well, the Phillistines weren't even Arabs,  they were Grecian in origin. Excavations of Gath (Goliath's hometown) in Gaza have revealed the truth of this origin.

As I said, they have no claim to the land as their claims are entirely religious in nature. Their religion is false. Ergo, lo and behold, that translates to a false claim. Now the Jews also engage in a false religion in the form of rejecting their Savior through multiple processes, some of which are undoubtedly supernatural. But if I have to make the choice between a donkey and a mule fighting over a carrot, again, whoever isn't killing the other farm animals left and right is my pick.

On the subject of murdering Arab Christians, what on earth are you talking about?

On the subject of Arab Christians in Israel vs Palestine so called: The Arab Christians of Israeli citizenship outnumber the Palestinian Christian. The Palestinian Christians are further removed from even enjoying our protection because many of them also practice false variants. Many are starting to fall to Islamic propaganda and engage in neo-Marcionism. Many now face a different paradigm than their ancestors in the days of "let's not kill everything lest Europe destroy us". Isamic doctrine has always demanded dhimmitude when they control an area. This was very relaxed for many years under the dictators of the Middle East and the various empires of Islamic persuasion. If they have this power, and no longer have need of the Christians in their midst as a propaganda tool, they're going to die if they don't convert. That's the unfortunate reality of it all.

The muslim simply has 0% claim to the land insofar as they are spurred to claim it. To not acknowledge this is to be a historical revisionist as much as saying the Israelis have a continued claim through Judaism.

Separating the religion and putting it aside, borders change.  They always change. They will change again. If this issue had been dealt with in '48, or even '47, we might be able to figure out a more equitable solution. But now we have multiple generations of Israelis who know nothing but Israel, speak only modern Hebrew, and whho have nowhere to go back to, because they're exactly where they come from and were born. To argue against this means anyone not within the borders of Europe who is of European decent needs to start packing their bags lest they be an ultimate hypocrite.

And really, who cares if some circumsized, bar mitzvahed yahoo who hates God in practice has a heavy hand in manipulating things?  Were he a non-practicing Catholic, muslim or buddhist would the result be any different? Isn't what you might really take issue with the evil of it all and the mere accident of this person being Jewish is but a mere afterthought? The claim generally goes that these Zionists affected the holocaust to actualize their dream of regaining Israel, right? Whereas the Israeli defends against the idea of another holocaust, and is horrified at the thought of the previous one, regardless of whether they believe it was 6 Million killed or 200K. At their present population, if we were to copy and pasteit back into WW2, that 200k leaves around .01% of their current population annihilated. That's the equivalent of almost 4.5Million Americans in comparative percentage. I think if some country wished to destroy us all as Americans and only managed to get 4.5 million, we'd make Israel look like child's play in any questionable actions against anyone of their perceived and real enemies. 4.5 million Americans systematically murdered and expunged from America... may God have mercy on our enemies, because I know we wouldn't. I cannot blame the Jew for his transformation from Milquetoast Millhouse into an almost surgically robotic killing machine in the IDF's special operations, and even their infantrymen.

Palestinians blow up a bus of civilians, Israel locks down the territories and starts marking "dead" on their list of known terrorist leaders. Seems pretty much a rather measured step to me. Imagine if Mexicans started lobbing rockets and missiles into our border towns because they want to take back and affect Aztlan. I cannot help but think we'd probably, and rightly, just start laying waste.

If there is a Palestinian problem or any mistreatment, let us first address it with their Arab brethren, because they're the ones who have fomented this to the level it has become. And they've been doing it since the Byzantine empire folded to their bedouin spread, satanic, psychotic BS.
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« Reply #13 on: June 16, 2012, 04:08:PM »

And for Zionists, let them call the wrath of God upon themselves, or convert in the trying.

But I'll be damned if I ever support capitulating to the mohammedan disease just to spite the Jews.

As a Catholic you shouldn't be capitulating to the Muslims, or the Zionists.  You have been duped jon.  You need to read one of the Fathers of the Church's Commentary on the Apocalypse.  St. Victorinus flourished about 270 AD, roughly 200 years after the destruction of the Second Temple.  But with the Zionist plan to build the Third Temple of Solomon St. Victorinus is looking like a prophet these days.
http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0712.htm
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« Reply #14 on: June 16, 2012, 06:49:PM »

So you're saying I should tacitly support the "lesser" of two evils by not admitting that to wipe the Jews from the Holy Land, or even just let them be wiped out, means the emboldening of a people who are historically nothing more than the religious equivalent of cancer?

Here's a fact: Wipe out Israel = emboldening of the muslims, again, as per their eschatology and soteriological jurisprudence. Do that and watch those few faithful Christians in those lands get decapitated, raped, etc. It's just friggin' facts man, they admit it themselves. No Saint in the 3rd century wrote with this paradigm in mind, nor could they have. All the current "muslim" lands were by that point Christianized and only the remainder of the Pagan Roman empire was an issue. Therefore, it's not so easy to just stop at Zionism.

Mohammedanism wasn't around when St. Victorinus wrote that. It's a different paradigm and totally ridiculous to use that as an end all be all, as it's only 1/3 of the issue.

Instead, I'll continue to recognize them both for what they are: not Christian. For the muslim, it's different than for the Jews. The muslim as I have explained has no claim to the land, for their basis is entirely religious and their religion is false.

I certainly do not disagree with the idea that the Jews will rebuild their Temple, or at least want to. But I don't support it. How could I?

Dhimmitude is a real thing. It's all over the world right now in little pockets and we see how it really works in the Middle East and muslim Africa against Christians. The Chabad-Lubavitch and the small groups which would institute Noahide laws have a similar style of proposed governance of non-Jews. But the fact of the matter is just that islam is a more pressing and actual threat.

By this, I will not capitulate because if the Jews rebuild the Temple, which I think they probably will eventually, it just means they continue to do what they do- ignore the reality of their Salvation. But for the muslim to succeed in wiping out the Jews, at least in Israel, is to start a global pandemic of violence the likes of which is only currently experienced in small pockets in various countries.

Today, my declared enemy is the muslim if he submits and truly believes in islamic doctrine of even the most fundamental (read: basic) type. The Jews are an enemy for the Gospel sake, certainly. But in all honesty, they just don't have the necessary numbers to do anything of significance whereas the muslim must simply be activated.
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« Reply #15 on: June 16, 2012, 09:47:PM »


I certainly do not disagree with the idea that the Jews will rebuild their Temple, or at least want to. But I don't support it. How could I?

Of course you support it.  You support it by defending and supporting Zionism.  Did you read St. Victorinus' Commentary on the Apocalypse?
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« Reply #16 on: June 16, 2012, 10:38:PM »

OK, so there's your point of confusion with my position.

Let me state clearly, I do not support Zionism. I merely recognize that there is a totally different reality to deal with than the one of the 1st, 2nd and 3rd century A.D.

The addition to the equation of mohammed's doctrine and how it spread, what it preaches and how it diminishes mankind to nearly retarded levels of logical thought is a decisive game changing element.

The basic idea is if they can destroy Israel they can take over the world, and if they do (destroy Israel), they will try to take over the world. This is just the basic plan for them. In this, I see the first part of my objection to completely turning a cold shoulder to Israel: to do so is to acquiesce to a consistent enemy of the Church whose collective historical number is soaked in Christian blood, and continues to let it out today. As I type this, I have no doubt that a Christian is in fear for his life due to a muslim, and possibly by the time I hit "post", he will be dead. Maybe in a week. Who knows. But the muslim is only doing what his religion truly says to do.

To allow that is to not speak up for your enemy (for the Gospel sake as Saint Paul tells us), but just be mute at allowing certain evil to take place.

It's beyond the simplicity of the "no" answer Theodor Herzl was given over 100 years ago. The situation has actualized whether Christian doctrine likes it or not. It has taken on a different character and is now one of legitimate human concern. In short, ya can't just hang the Israeli out to dry and let him be engulfed by the hate which is seething to be unleashed on him. Especially given how it will admittedly blossom in its evil worldwide if it accomplished such a task. Blessed are the peacemakers...

It would be like booting out anyone of Asian decent back to wherever their ancestors came from most recently. I have known plenty of Asians who can't speak a lick of Chinese, or Vietnamese or whatever their ethnic language is. The same with the Israeli who might have a lineage in Germany or Iraq or wherever. I certainly would be pretty screwed if I was made to move to Germany, Norway, or somewhere in the British Isles they refuse to speak anything but Scots-Gaelic. That's not my culture. I don't understand those people. I'd feel like, well, a man without a country and not of my choosing. I'd, I dunno... probably help in the formation of a group to reclaim America, by force if necessary. It's just the human condition man.

We should try to at least make it better through conversion and there is a laughable effort to convert either the Jews or the Muslims to the Church.

If they won't convert, fuh'getaboutem. Shake that dust and let em bring judgement upon themselves. But as long as churchmen insist on sticking their nose into what amounts to non-matters of concern aside from the protection of Christians in the holy land, my money is once again not on the muslims because they have quite clearly demonstrated they cannot and will not comply with that simple request. The only way they allow it is to force dhimmitude.

That is nothing more than an agreement to deny the faith in multiple ways and levels. From not sharing the Gospel at all to not even being legally allowed to talk a friend or family member out of converting to islam. Essentially, to live, i.e. buy and sell, you must deny the Kingship of Christ in every way shape and form. Otherwise you have to go underground.

To totally leave Israel out to dry is, ironically, to leave every single Christian in the Middle East and muslim world out to dry because you just activated their killers.

Sounds to me like the same twisted mentality that lets muslims blow each other up because they're convinced the person will go to Heaven, so that makes it OK. And if they weren't willing, then they were apostates anyway.

I fail to find the merit in such a mindset.
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« Reply #17 on: June 17, 2012, 06:41:AM »

       May I interject, I believe that jews and the muslims are equal threats, each go about spreading their errors differently. To use an analogy, the muslim are is like a thug that would slit your throat and steal your money, while the jew will slowly poison you to death to get your money. I believe many of the ills of our western society are a result of the jew, i.e, protestantism, freemasonry, the rampant spread of porn, capitalism, communism and most of what comes out of hollywood. How many millions of souls have gone to hell because of the errors spread by these people. They have done much to destroyed the Catholic faith.  Jon if you get a chance please read "The revolutionary jewish spirit by E. Michael Jones". It will open your eyes it did mine.
     Second I contend, if the jews were never allowed back in the Holy Land I don't think we would be have the problem we have today. The islamists see us the United States as a puppet for the jews, which we are. The temple was destroyed, and the jews dispersed for a reason. That being said in last days it will be the jews who come to the Catholic faith while Gentiles leave it. I pray every night for the conversion of the jews.
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« Reply #18 on: June 17, 2012, 07:32:AM »

Saying Palestinians don't exist is straight up Zionist propaganda.
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« Reply #19 on: June 17, 2012, 10:58:AM »

Saying Palestinians don't exist is straight up Zionist propaganda.

Errr... so you're saying that the Palestinians (so called) are Zionist propaganda tools?

"The Palestinian people does not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. Only for political and tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of a Palestinian people, since Arab national interests demand that we posit the existence of a distinct “Palestinian people” to oppose Zionism.

For tactical reasons, Jordan, which is a sovereign state with defined borders, cannot raise claims to Haifa and Jaffa, while as a Palestinian, I can undoubtedly demand Haifa, Jaffa, Beer-Sheva and Jerusalem. However, the moment we reclaim our right to all of Palestine, we will not wait even a minute to unite Palestine and Jordan."- Palestine Liberation Organization executive committee member Zahir Muhsein, 1977, Dutch newspaper Trouw

When was this country of palestine established? What were it's original borders? currency? founders? Language? religion? Etc. Oh, yeah, they've never been a country at all, as they're not a real people but just vagabond wanderers who filled in the gap once islam spread. Well, sorry, that's not a claim to anything.

       May I interject, I believe that jews and the muslims are equal threats, each go about spreading their errors differently. To use an analogy, the muslim are is like a thug that would slit your throat and steal your money, while the jew will slowly poison you to death to get your money. I believe many of the ills of our western society are a result of the jew, i.e, protestantism, freemasonry, the rampant spread of porn, capitalism, communism and most of what comes out of hollywood. How many millions of souls have gone to hell because of the errors spread by these people. They have done much to destroyed the Catholic faith.  Jon if you get a chance please read "The revolutionary jewish spirit by E. Michael Jones". It will open your eyes it did mine.
     Second I contend, if the jews were never allowed back in the Holy Land I don't think we would be have the problem we have today. The islamists see us the United States as a puppet for the jews, which we are. The temple was destroyed, and the jews dispersed for a reason. That being said in last days it will be the jews who come to the Catholic faith while Gentiles leave it. I pray every night for the conversion of the jews.
On your first point, loosen the tin-foil. You've demonstrated quite clearly you have no ability to engage in rational, sane thought by saying that Protestantism is a result of the Jews. Give me a break. Fine, I'll say it, that was the most stupid thing I've ever read or at least near it.


The islamists could see as as purple marshmallows if they wanted and it wouldn't change the fact that they intend to make smores. Get a grip on reality, the muslims were a documented problem for all Christians way before 1948, and certainly before 1776. They were and are a much more obvious threat than the joooos. They continue to be so.

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