Murder ever morally justified? Millstone/depths of sea question

[verenaerin]

As a father with a young daughter, I would do exactly the same thing. Whether it is right or wrong doesn't mean much when, in the few seconds you realize what is going on, you just react to the situation.

This should be the instinct of every man.

[Nicolaus]

As a father with a young daughter, I would do exactly the same thing. Whether it is right or wrong doesn't mean much when, in the few seconds you realize what is going on, you just react to the situation.

This should be the instinct of every man.

I agree.

[Scriptorium]

He won't be charged. If he was, it would be involuntary manslaughter. Passion mitigates culpability, not to mention he didn't intend it. The jury would weigh if he could have achieved the same aim (saving his daughter) using less force. But they'd weight that the passion of the situation temporarily excused him of being able to judge what was due force. Not to mention his expressed remorse. I hope the girl is able to understand that this is a crime, and grows up healthy. I know that I would lose my judgement of due force, which I have trained in martial arts to maintain. I mean, come on, the guy is raping your daughter! From what I know, I see his acts as completely justified, and I think a court would too.

[ggreg]

There will be physical evidence of the rape on the 4 year old. If they are testing her for STDs, then I assume that she was being raped by his ... person and not an object.

I also think the father deserves a medal.

I agree 100% that the father's actions are wholly justified, if, the 40 something man sexually assaulted the daughter.

I find it strange that a man in his 40s with no previous convictions would show up at a relative stranger's house and attempt to rape a 4 year old.  Seems like a good way to get caught, or in this case killed.

Admittedly some people are absolutely psychotic and evil but usually they have previous crimes attached to their name.

[Scriptorium]

ggreg, people like this often do these crimes in situations like this. A former girlfriend of mine was assaulted by her brother-in-law in her family's home. There are numerous cases of assaults at libraries, which are in the public. I can go on. It's diabolic.

[ggreg]

OK, I just watched this by a local newsstation.  Too much circumstantial evidence.  Looks like the Father was wholly justied to me.

http://www.click2houston.com/news/Sheriff-Dad-kills-daughter-s-alleged-attacker/-/1735978/14774032/-/ehe9t7/-/index.html

Everyone involved appears to be a Mexican including the dead rapist.

There are some really evil random crimes out there.

[verenaerin]

There will be physical evidence of the rape on the 4 year old. If they are testing her for STDs, then I assume that she was being raped by his ... person and not an object.

I also think the father deserves a medal.

I agree 100% that the father's actions are wholly justified, if, the 40 something man sexually assaulted the daughter.

I find it strange that a man in his 40s with no previous convictions would show up at a relative stranger's house and attempt to rape a 4 year old.  Seems like a good way to get caught, or in this case killed.

Admittedly some people are absolutely psychotic and evil but usually they have previous crimes attached to their name.

Demons aside. You don't become a child rapist overnight. These things take time. Most of the kids I have taken care of that were molested/ raped/ assaulted, were done by people with no prior record. One case was a 4 year old girl who would go over to the neighborhood "grandparents", eat cookies. etc. One day the girl refused to go. Eventually we found out that he would let her play computer games if she would sit on his lap and he would use his fingers on her. She was examined and while there was some evidence that something may have gone on, it was not something that would hold up in court. The man was in his late 70s. We know this happened to the 4 year olds friend as well. So what happened? Nothing. How many decades has this go on?

While it is strange that he would take such a risk. Who the hell cares. I don't see any purpose trying to understand people like this. Give them 10 minutes with a priest, and a quick, cheap execution.

[Ancilla Domini]

Everyone involved appears to be a Mexican including the dead rapist.

What bearing does that have?

[ggreg]

Everyone involved appears to be a Mexican including the dead rapist.

What bearing does that have?

It is just a bit of information we did not know before and I have not read in the newspaper articiles.

It might have some bearing, however, because such people can more easily operate on the fringes of legality and have false ID or use their brother's, cousin's ID

They also tend not to grass each other up to the Gringo police.  So that might explain the lack of previous convictions on the part of the perp

[Scriptorium]

You don't become a child rapist overnight. These things take time.

And there's always a first time. But usually there are signs. I imagine this guy was into porn, etc. Search his computer! Believe me, there's something somewhere.