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« Reply #20 on: June 12, 2012, 04:13:PM »

Mass deportation is not the solution. It is cruel, impractical, and a waste of resources. The cost of mass deportation efforts would be massive.

I'm proud to say that the Texas GOP just amended its platform last week to abandon the "mass deportation" approach in favor of a work permit approach. They can stay, but they have to register, and they have to pay taxes. Also, no state-funded benefits like food stamps or free healthcare.

That's hardly fair either.  You have entrepreneurs with funding who cannot get a visa to work in the US and skilled Indian IT people your economy needs working there; and Mexicans get to jump the queue because they happen to share a border and have crossed illegally?  That is rewarding people for breaking the immigration law and penalizing the law-abiding people who play by the rules.

Ggreg, the platform is not talking about just handing out work permits to anyone who is here. It's goal is to discourage illegal immigration among those thinking about coming over, and to use legal means to come in. The ones who are already here will have to live with the risk of being here illegally. They'll still have to run when INS raids their employers. My guess is that those coming back over will want to forego that risk and do things the legal way.

Here is the TX GOP immigration platform:
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The Texas Solution – Because of decades-long failure of the federal government to secure our borders and address the immigration issue, there are now upwards of 11 million undocumented individuals in the United States today, each of whom entered and remain here under different circumstances. Mass deportation of these individuals would neither be equitable nor practical; while blanket amnesty, as occurred with the Simpson-Mazzoli Act of 1986, would only encourage future violations of the law. We seek common ground to develop and advance a conservative, market- and law-based approach to our nation’s immigration issues by following these principles:
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Secure Our Borders – The U.S. Border must be secured immediately! We demand the application of effective, practical and reasonable measures to secure our borders and to bring safety and security for all Americans along the border and throughout the nation.
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Modernize the United States Social Security Card – We support the improvement of our 1936 Social Security card to use contemporary anti-counterfeit technology. The social security card will not be considered a National ID card for U.S. citizens.
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Birthright Citizenship – We call on the Legislative, Executive, and Judicial branches of the United States to clarify Section 1 of the 14th amendment to limit citizenship by birth to those born to a citizen of the United States with no exceptions.
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Create an Effective and Efficient Temporary Worker Program – A national Temporary Worker Program should be implemented to bring skilled and unskilled workers into the United States for temporary periods of time when no U.S. workers are currently available. The program should also require:

Self-funding through participation fees and fines;

Applicants must pass a full criminal background check;

Applicants with prior immigration violations would only qualify for the program if they paid the appropriate fines;

Applicants and/or Employers must prove that they can afford and/or secure private health insurance;

Applicants must waive any and all rights to apply for financial assistance from any public entitlement programs;

Applicant must show a proficiency in the English language and complete an American civic class;

Temporary Workers would only be able to work for employers that deduct and match payroll taxes;

All participants would be issued an individual Temporary-Worker Biometric Identification Card that tracks all address changes and both civil and criminal court appearances as a defendant.
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« Reply #21 on: June 12, 2012, 05:22:PM »

I'm in metro LA, and I am sure I meet numerous illegals day in and day out. But I wouldn't know. I say take it on a case by case basis. Enforce the laws as is. But most of all I am interested in Americans starting to reform themselves. We're really a mess. You saw that news a while back about how immigration has evened out, and basically lots of illegals are going back or not coming. Illegal immigration is a problem, but we have to admit that Mexicans and other Latin Americans are the latest societal whipping boy. There were others in the past. Except for the English, we probably all have ancestry that was previously the "problem child" of that generation. I think our problems come from ourselves, not from foreigners.
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« Reply #22 on: June 12, 2012, 08:37:PM »

Here's a book that makes for an interesting read:

http://www.amazon.com/Nothing-Like-World-Transcontinental-1863-1869/dp/0684846098

The similarities between the Chinese immigrants of that period and the Mexicans of today are striking.  Also of interest is the tidbit of information regarding politicians publicly campaigning on an anti-immigration platform while secretly sending recruiters to China to bring in more cheap labor.
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« Reply #23 on: June 12, 2012, 10:11:PM »

I say...let's just have the same law Mexico has...

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/may/03/mexicos-illegals-laws-tougher-than-arizonas/

Mexico’s illegals laws tougher than Arizona’s

Mexican President Felipe Calderon denounced as “racial discrimination” an Arizona law giving state and local police the authority to arrest suspected illegal immigrants and vowed to use all means at his disposal to defend Mexican nationals against a law he called a “violation of human rights.”

But the legislation, signed April 23 by Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer, is similar to Reglamento de la Ley General de Poblacion — the General Law on Population enacted in Mexico in April 2000, which mandates that federal, local and municipal police cooperate with federal immigration authorities in that country in the arrests of illegal immigrants.

Under the Mexican law, illegal immigration is a felony, punishable by up to two years in prison. Immigrants who are deported and attempt to re-enter can be imprisoned for 10 years. Visa violators can be sentenced to six-year terms. Mexicans who help illegal immigrants are considered criminals.

The law also says Mexico can deport foreigners who are deemed detrimental to “economic or national interests,” violate Mexican law, are not “physically or mentally healthy” or lack the “necessary funds for their sustenance” and for their dependents.

“This sounds like the kind of law that a rational nation would have to protect itself against illegal immigrants — that would stop and punish the very people who are violating the law,” said Rep. Steve King of Iowa, ranking Republican on the House Judiciary subcommittee on immigration, citizenship, refugees, border security and international law.

“Why would Mr. Calderon have any objections to an Arizona law that is less draconian than his own, one he has pledged to enforce?” Mr. King said.

Sen. Jon Kyl of Arizona, the ranking Republican on the Senate Judiciary subcommittee on terrorism and homeland security, described Mr. Calderon’s comments as “hypocritical to say the least.”

“I would have expected more from Mr. Calderon,” said Mr. Kyl, who serves as the Senate minority whip. “We are spending millions of dollars to help Mexico fight the drug cartels that pose a threat to his government, and he doesn’t seem to recognize our concerns. He ought to be apologizing to us instead of condemning us.”

Mr. Kyl, along with fellow Arizona Republican Sen. John McCain, has introduced a 10-point comprehensive border security plan to combat illegal immigration, drug and human smuggling, and violent crime along the southwestern border. It includes the deployment of National Guard troops, an increase in U.S. Border Patrol agents and 700 miles of fencing, along with other equipment and funding upgrades.

He said skyrocketing violence on the border, including the recent killing of an Arizona rancher by an illegal immigrant he had gone to assist, has not gone unnoticed by the public, adding that until the federal government provides the necessary funding and manpower to adequately secure the southwestern border, Arizona will not long remain the only state to pass legislation to do it on its own.

Rep. Ted Poe, Texas Republican and a member of the House Judiciary and Foreign Affairs committees, described Mr. Calderon’s criticism as “arrogant and hypocritical.” He said Mexico’s immigrations laws are “even tougher than those in the United States” and it was inappropriate to denounce the Arizona law when “Mexico does the very same thing.”

“Mexico wants people to come to the United States and to send their money home,” he said. “They want to make their problems our problems — that’s their foreign policy. President Calderon should spend more time focusing on problems in his own country instead of criticizing Arizona for doing what Mexican law requires its own to do.”

Rep. John Culberson, a Texas Republican who has advocated for stricter border enforcement policies, said the Arizona law was enacted as a result of the nation’s “failed immigration policies.”

“We should focus our time and resources on enforcing policies that work, like zero tolerance, which has reduced crime and illegal immigration dramatically along our southern border,” he said.

Ricardo Alday, a spokesman at the Mexican Embassy in Washington, did not return calls for comment.
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« Reply #24 on: June 12, 2012, 11:12:PM »

So I guess it's OK that the mexicans are shooting and killing American citizens and law enforcement agents. Most of the illegals aren't hard working innocent women that are coming across the borders...they are hard core drug dealing, gun carrying gangsters that make the mafia look like nice guys. Let's look at it this way...if you were to go to area 51...no matter how innocent you are, you will get shot if you try to cross their fence. As far as my ancestors...they all came in the legal way.


Wow. Are you native American?
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« Reply #25 on: June 13, 2012, 12:54:AM »

So I guess it's OK that the mexicans are shooting and killing American citizens and law enforcement agents. Most of the illegals aren't hard working innocent women that are coming across the borders...they are hard core drug dealing, gun carrying gangsters that make the mafia look like nice guys. Let's look at it this way...if you were to go to area 51...no matter how innocent you are, you will get shot if you try to cross their fence. As far as my ancestors...they all came in the legal way.


Wow. Are you native American?

Cherokee? Choctaw? Sauk and Fox? Navajo?
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« Reply #26 on: June 13, 2012, 01:41:AM »

I don't really see how the American Indians are particularly relevant to the debate over immigration. We're talking about the best course of action for a particular country, in a particular time, and in a particular situation. Thinking about the issue in an overly universalizing way misses the point.
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« Reply #27 on: June 13, 2012, 04:29:AM »

Crusader and Gittmit. Do you know what a Meti  is ? Also we share a border with Canada and  have a lot more illegal immigrants than you would think.
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« Reply #28 on: June 13, 2012, 10:06:AM »

I consider myself pretty well informed when it comes to the immigration issue. I live in California as well.
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« Reply #29 on: June 13, 2012, 10:08:AM »

Crusader and Gittmit. Do you know what a Meti  is ? Also we share a border with Canada and  have a lot more illegal immigrants than you would think.
Sure, the abominable snowman.
We have plenty of those.
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