Yet more proof sods are pedos

[Melkite]

If only fags could get married. Then they wouldn't have to molest kids or collect kiddie porn.

If only breeders could stop being hatemongers.  Then they wouldn't have to molest kids or collect kiddie porn.

[verenaerin]

I am certainly not meaning to dismiss some serious issues that affect church and society, but drawing broad assumptions from “a little bit of truth” is not always good either.

First (though it distracts a bit from the thread’s topic) while I defer to Tim’s knowledge of Chicago, relying on my personal knowledge and experience of Seattle and the Tri-Cities in WA, and San Francisco (a couple of aunts and an uncle migrated to the bay area in the 1960’s), there was never a concerted plan to “force” people out of neighborhoods, at least in the areas I referenced.  The old white working class families gladly, and often with great excitement, moved to the bigger (though often inferior from a construction stand point) suburban homes with yards for the kids and a place to park their boat or rv.  There were several motives: the bigger house, it was what all their friends and neighbors were doing, it was a sign of “arriving” financially, they didn’t want to live next to “certain” kinds of people, etc.  In the ‘60s and ‘70s the “car was king” and freeways were the wave of the future.  The old abandoned neighborhoods became the low rent districts in the urban core.  Then some people began to figure out that it is convenient to live close to work (something a farmer intuitively knows  ) and to be able to walk, bike, or take a bus or tram about one’s neighborhood to socialize or go shopping, or attend events without the nuisance and cost of driving and parking was kind of cool.  It is all a continuous wave.  Maybe Tim’s Chicago was different (and to that extent it is more unique) but in most places the old ethnic Catholic “ghetto” residents primarily didn’t get pushed out, they abandoned for the “greener pastures” of the ‘burbs.

Back to the topic:  there are plenty of “nasty old men” prying on young girls; here in WA in the past few years there have been two (actually more, I’m thinking of two off the top of my head) high profile cases of middle aged women (both married with children of their own) seducing 12 -14 year old boys (one got pregnant from this).  I am just recalling a third case in a neighboring school district in the mid ‘90s when a middle aged female school bus driver was seducing high school boys who rode her bus (she got fired; as they couldn’t prove she molested anyone under the age of 16 they couldn’t bring criminal charges at the time; WA is a “15 will get you 20 years” state).

From what I’ve read NAMBLA is viewed with loathing and disgust by the majority of the homosexual community.

So certainly there are serious moral and cultural issues to be dealt with in church and society, they are most effectively dealt with, in my opinion, based on actual reality, without sensationalism or exaggeration.

We have had this discussion before. It has been well documented that Catholic ghettos were targeted for destruction  by rezoning, highways, and real estate scams. It is the sad truth in NYC. Tim saw it, as did my mother live it.

[Melkite]

This is why I regretfully assume the average Catholic priest on the street is a molester until proven otherwise.

And even for the ones who aren't molesters, the lack of masculinity in the hierarchy is appalling. It's a pyramid of court eunuchs with flimsy handshakes who are bossed around by nuns or influential church ladies, and in turn vent out their frustration on hapless trads. I cannot, will not give them any credibility.

You assume people are guilty until proven innocent?  How very manly of you.

[Mithrandylan]

I'm not denying any seeming link, but I'm with Melkite.  You've got to be crazy to posit this as proof that sodomites are pedos.

[Walty]

This is hardly proof that all or even most homosexuals are also pedophiles.

I don't think it's fair to say that all homosexuals are pedophiles either.

However, I do think that homosexuality leads to pedophilia, among other perversions.

[The_Harlequin_King]

You assume people are guilty until proven innocent?  How very manly of you.

In this case, the hierarchy have brought it upon themselves. Churches are closed daily to pay for the sins of the molesters, while cardinals like Castrillon-Hoyos declare that they'd fall on their swords to defend the honor of pedo priests.

And I've never claimed to be the paragon of masculinity, but I hold clerics to higher standards than myself. That shouldn't be a shocking proposition.

[Petertherock]

If only fags could get married. Then they wouldn't have to molest kids or collect kiddie porn.

If only breeders could stop being hatemongers.  Then they wouldn't have to molest kids or collect kiddie porn.

Says our resident sodomite.

[moneil]

We have had this discussion before. It has been well documented that Catholic ghettos were targeted for destruction  by rezoning, highways, and real estate scams. It is the sad truth in NYC. Tim saw it, as did my mother live it.

I have never seen this suppossed "documentation".  I'm sorry for whatever happened to your mother.  I set the context for my knowledge and experience.  My maternal grandmother, two paternal great aunts, two maternal aunts all stayed in their homes and parish in the Capital Hill neighborhood of Seattle until their deaths in the '70s and 80's.  Nobody pushed them out.

No one is arguing that there haven’t been major changes in the urban landscape, both good and bad.  The same can be said for the rural landscape as the nature of modern agricultural production has changed and it requires far fewer people to produce the food and fiber for the nation.  After WWII new factories and offices, new housing, and new roads to move people between the two had to be built to accommodate the post war urban growth.  Those things had to go somewhere ~ wherever they went somebody would be whining about it because they thought they should go somewhere else.  As far as I can see more often than not they went in the most logical places though undoubtedly a few examples can be found where, in hindsight, another placement would have worked out better.  There is no credible documentation that Catholic neighborhoods were specifically targeted.  

[Mithrandylan]

If only fags could get married. Then they wouldn't have to molest kids or collect kiddie porn.

If only breeders could stop being hatemongers.  Then they wouldn't have to molest kids or collect kiddie porn.

Says our resident sodomite.

Dude.

[Walty]

If only fags could get married. Then they wouldn't have to molest kids or collect kiddie porn.

If only breeders could stop being hatemongers.  Then they wouldn't have to molest kids or collect kiddie porn.

Says our resident sodomite.

Pete, totally uncalled for.

Melkite, "breeders" is an offensive and ridiculous term.  If you don't like hate-mongering then don't buy into it just because it's of the bullshit LGBT variety.