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« on: July 01, 2012, 10:35:AM »

The Zionist mentality is racist to its core...

http://sabbah.biz/mt/archives/2012/03/06/israelis-rejoice-death-palestinian-children/

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A story appeared in Israel's Haaretz newspaper last month about what happened after nine Palestinian children and one adult were killed in a school bus accident north of Jerusalem.

In "Enemies, a hate story", Gideon Levy described the coverage of the story as "Workmanlike overall if faceless and depersonalized."
 
The accident would have been followed by "a lot more blood and tears" if the children had been Jewish, adds Levy.
 
But worse than ignoring the tragic deaths of the children when an Israeli truck overturned their bus were the nasty, hateful things that Israelis had to say on the internet.
 
They revealed their names and their Facebook photos, spewing forth nauseating, hate-permeated racism that seemed to exceed anything seen here previously," wrote Levy.
 
"Relax, these are Palestinian children," Benny Dazanashvili wrote on Twitter.
 
"It seems these are Palestinians ... God willing," posted Tal Biton.
 
"I hope every day there is a bus like this," chipped in Itai Viltzig.
 
"Dozens, if not hundreds, of Internet surfers said a prayer of thanks – for the terrible death by fire of young children on a school field trip – and the responses were featured on the web pages of the prime minister and the Israel Police and the Walla! Web portal," wrote Levy.
 
The only light came from Meira Baruch, who wrote: "I'm 63 years old. Only a few times in my life have I been ashamed to be a Jew. Today I am ashamed. How can anyone rejoice over the death of little children?"
 
What Levy says next should be covered in every major newspaper and TV station in the West: "Enemies, a hate story. In the past few years, anti-Arab hatred and racism have reached monstrous proportions and are no longer restricted to a negligible minority."
 
These Israelis are inviting a blowback of hatred from Palestinians who have generally been placid. Of all who should know better, young Jews should have learned how high a price accompanies racial hatred.
 
Levy comments on the difference in attitudes between the Palestinians and Israelis: "Palestinians I have met over the years, all of them victims of the occupation, speak about their dream of living together in peace while the majority of Israelis dream of 'the separation'."
 
Herein lies the problem for both Israelis and Palestinians. If the Israelis dream of "the separation" they anticipate the elimination of all but Jews from Palestine.
 
Many of these Israelis still have illusions of eliminating Palestinians by forcing them out of both Gaza and the West Bank and into refugee camps in Jordan, Lebanon, Syria and Egypt.
 
Despite the talk about a two-state solution, the evidence of real Israeli intentions exists in the Apartheid Wall (meant to divide farm lands), the theft of water sources and the continued development of settlements.
 
On many occasions recently, Palestinians have reported unprovoked abuse by Israelis in the settlements. The government does nothing to stop this kind of behaviour; fitting only what Gideon Levy called "a dream of separation".
 
On 22 February Palestine Liberation Organization Executive Committee member and lawmaker Hanan Ashrawi called on the European Union to rescue the two-state solution. "We call on European countries to translate policy into action and implement new creative initiatives to rescue the two-state solution before Israel destroys the chances for peace."
 
Ashrawi's is the voice Levy referred to as the Palestinian's "dream of living together in peace". Her call to the European Union to act conveys her hope that the Europeans may help the peace process where others have failed.
 
Meanwhile, Israel approves building over 500 settlement units.
 
* Paul J. Balles is a retired American university professor and freelance writer who has lived in the Middle East for many years. He's a weekly Op-Ed columnist for the Gulf Daily News. Dr. Balles is also Editorial Consultant for Red House Marketing and a regular contributor to Bahrain This Month.

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« Reply #1 on: July 01, 2012, 03:57:PM »

Who here was glad Osama Bin Laden was (supposedly) taken out? What about anyone else? Anyone here EVER been kinda happy or even rejoiced over the death of another outside of rejoicing for the hope they died in a state of grace?

Are the Jews human beings? Are they sinners?

Not all Israelis rejoiced, some did. Some also said the rejoicing made them sick and ashamed.

This was nothing more than a vehicle to make people angry so they would respond disfavorably to approving 500 new settlement units.

Levy can meet all the Palestinians he wants who say they dream of living in peace. The charters of HAMAS and PLO spell out what that means: Islam rules.

Sorry about the kids, but this is as much propaganda as any Israeli agency might put out.
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« Reply #2 on: July 01, 2012, 11:00:PM »

Dude, if you can justify celebration over the death of kids, you have serious mental and moral issues.
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« Reply #3 on: July 02, 2012, 01:48:AM »

I'm not justifying celebration, I'm just saying let's step back and admit that we're all guilty of this in some way, and even still there is not a sound agreement amongst those quoted except in what is only a manipulation of the reality by discounting the possibility of a really bad test-pool in the original Haaretz opinion piece by Gideon Levy. It then throws in all these unrelated tidbits that the author wants to bring condemnation on, so he attaches their reading to the ire already felt by the perversity of celebrating over the death of children. The article claims only one person had anything good to say. How the hell do we know? They were quoting random social media stuff. Did they see ALL comments everywhere? Interview a true swath of the Israeli population on their opinion on the death of children in an accident? How do they know if they didn't just see a section not representative of the reality? They really don't. And the author was quoting an opinion piece from Haaretz. But the Haaretz piece had nothing to do with almost the entirety of the article you posted. It just served as an emotional springboard to rant. And it's written by a guy who writes for what amount to propaganda rags as they're agenda driven. Unrelated information + agenda+ what they really want you to act on = propaganda

The author knows you can't do anything about some Israelis with a real wacked outlook on these deaths. But he does know you can possibly use that emotion he just brought out to agree with and act on his agenda.

Further, Israelis consider themselves as not Palestinian. We don't have wall to wall coverage of bus accidents in Mexico, but we do of them here. Or if it involves American tour groups or otherwise in a foreign country. But no one is accusing the US of being racist for a bunch of idiots on the internet being glad Mexicans die in a bus accident and it was hardly covered, when no expectation of coverage is even present otherwise.

Similarly,  we might in this country see something like this:
"5 more Catholic priests were convicted today of child molestation. Some parishioners disagreed with the conviction. Others agreed.

The priests had been found out after confessing but were protected by apparent confidence of confession.

This past May, Bishop Bruskewitz of the Diocese of Lincoln ordained 5 new Priests."

Well, that ordination would have nothing to do at all with the choice of some priests who do not reflect the officially stated position of the Church. Indeed, such a throwing in of that only serves to lead to seeing something like this in the agenda's goal:

"5 more renegade Catholic priests were found hiding out in a basement. At the time they were instructing ignorant traitors in their perverse and anti-government political ideology. Ordinations have been ceased. All activities of the Catholic Church are banned by the X government."

Sensationalism and journalistic trickery, slanting someone into an arena not in the nature or even character of the discussion is flat out duplicitous.


The hypocrisy of those who effectively defend Palestine from America amazes me, in both their gullibility to not see this as propaganda as much as Israel puts out propaganda, and how both sides have propaganda writers in other areas, including those not Jewish, Christian, or Muslim.
It's always some truism or obfuscated fact ignoring culpability of self or one's own nation in a similar manner, as well as the nature of the side tacitly supported in choosing to believe such unimportant drivel. Combined with the sensationalism achieved, it's dangerous.

Example:

Israel stole land! Send em back to Europe...

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Meanwhile, the Native Americans are sitting on the Res. saying, "ummm, so, hey pale face, quit being a hypocrite."

Israeli news agencies put out similarly slanted articles which amount to propaganda against the Arabs.

Just recognize it for what it is: useless propaganda meant to push an agenda. Both sides do it. It ain't a shame to admit it, as even the USA does it. All countries do it. Yay "free" press. Smile "freedom" is slavery as incorrectly understood, and I assure you, the world is "free", but not truly.

Check out his article here on the Arabs, which makes use of basically Islamic Apologetics texts: http://www.pballes.com/b0404.htm

The dude is a propagandist. My opposition to the article is on this point, not the obviously despicable act of Israelis cheering dead kids, which frankly, the article had basically nothing to do with but as a springboard to sensationalism.

I did a google search of the guy and the overwhelming majority of the results are articles about Israel in some regard. He lives in the Middle East and repeats their historical fallacies in regard to Islam. There was nothing Arab in regard to Babylon or anything else as an Arab invention he's largely claiming. It's impossible to even say that. The Arab classification as extending to the entirety of the Middle East is due to Islam, not historical reality. Until Islamic conquest the Arabs were their own people, not belonging to others such as Babylonians (Iraq), Assyria (Northern Iraq, Syria, part of Turkey), Canaanites, etc. It'd be like saying Puerto Ricans are Spanish in origin without considering that there's a ton of African and Taino Indian coursing through those veins as well. When Arab is used in this regard, it really means Muslim. There was no Dark Age in Europe, that's an Enlightenment (the true dark age) lie. Nor was Spain this barbaric country devoid of culture, it was Catholic!

This dude is a consummate liar. He has no credibility and his writing stinks of propaganda.
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« Reply #4 on: July 02, 2012, 10:40:AM »

Speak for yourself. I did not rejoice at the "news" of Bin Laden's death. We are no better than pagans when we rejoice at the deaths of our enemies.
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« Reply #5 on: July 02, 2012, 01:37:PM »

Speak for yourself. I did not rejoice at the "news" of Bin Laden's death. We are no better than pagans when we rejoice at the deaths of our enemies.

I did not rejoice either.

Funny, right after the WTC fell, we saw a clip of Palestinians jumping up and down. On critical examination, it looked like about a dozen. Further, it looked like file footage. Maybe it was a scene of Palestinians finding some clean water in that Concentration Camp they live in aka as Gaza.

Where is the footage of the Jews celebrating?
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« Reply #6 on: July 02, 2012, 02:04:PM »

Speak for yourself. I did not rejoice at the "news" of Bin Laden's death. We are no better than pagans when we rejoice at the deaths of our enemies.

You've never heard someone died and for a moment at least, thought, "Good!"?

Why get hung up on Bin Laden? I saw tons of Americans celebrate his death anyway. I thought the issue was the gladness at loss of life, not some arbitrary standard wherein a certain age becomes more precious than another, or automatically more precious by virtue of their ethnicity different from another.

And this author is a propagandist, and this article serves no purpose. It draws no logical conclusion with what it presents and only inflames.
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« Reply #7 on: July 02, 2012, 02:10:PM »

You're the one who brought up Bin Laden. I don't celebrate the death of any man.

"Is it my will that a sinner should die, saith the Lord God, and not that he should be converted from his ways, and live?" - Ezekiel 18:23

But you go on making excuses for those who rejoice at the death of children. Whatever.
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« Reply #8 on: July 02, 2012, 02:20:PM »

I've said multiple times I'm not defending the rejoicing of anyone over the death of children. I'm sayin I KNOW people here even have rejoiced or been glad at the death of another. It's human nature!

1) everyone here is guilty of this in some way, if not this specific sin and perversion, another. Don't play coy on what sin is, you know it ALL offends God. Sin is sin. I'm sick of the idea that Israelis Mortally-Mortally sin while us westerners only do it mortally, and apparently, the arabs are bloody angels.

2) The author is a propagandist and this article is not even the sunni side of philadelphia but total shi'ite. (mainly just wanted to play on those sects, draw no legit conclusion on the author's leaning in islamic schools)

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« Reply #9 on: July 02, 2012, 03:31:PM »

I don't know anyone who rejoices at the death of kids. If you know people like that, I suggest you stay far away from them.
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