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« Reply #100 on: July 27, 2012, 11:53:AM »

What you posted sounds like this kind of thing to me.  In my way of hearing, it sounds like swing music!  Nothing at all wrong with it. 

It's got a reggae beat. Jack Johnson is typically folk rock or soft rock. Rock is about as multicolored as it comes.
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« Reply #101 on: July 27, 2012, 11:59:AM »

In my opinion, rock and pop music started to go down the drain in the early 90's with grunge rock et al.

Yup.  That's when I stopped listening to anything new, except some country and jazz.
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« Reply #102 on: July 27, 2012, 08:31:PM »

Do "traditional" Catholics listen to rock music? Huh?

Hmmm, certainly.

Though, many might say don't judge the product by its producer in the case of artistic things... I have to mention that at the age 13 and 14 years old, my love of the band Led Zeppelin most definitely led to my interest in the occult, and subsequent falling away from the Faith. Not to say it was solely listening to the band that did it, or that I was obsessive... but, I had an interest in the guitar player Jimmy Page. I read all about him and found out he was an occultist/pagan/satanist. Now, that was something exotic and dangerous. And, to my self-asserting... dying-for-autonomy, adolescent brain it was very seductive. In addition, the band's music most definitely has overtly sexual/pagan elements to it. I still listen occasionally, but now from a very detached place, merely enjoying it for music's sake.

It must vary from person to person, but I can't say that classic rock, or any genre of rock is really "safe". One secure in the Faith, it seems, should not be in a position to be bothered, seeing the music for what it is. Now, for a young person plagued with doubt, not so much...
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« Reply #103 on: August 03, 2012, 05:33:PM »

When I decided to try to get serious about the Faith I had to get rid of my rock music collection (mostly underground black and death metal records but some grunge as well). The negativity and evil in some forms of rock is astounding and it does have an effect on you if you pay a lot of attention to what it does to your moods, feelings, thoughts etc.. I do still listen to old grateful Dead concerts and some Phish sometimes on my mp3 player but that is it and it is always in moderation. For the most part I can only listen to chant or classical or maybe an occasional Mozart Opera or something.
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« Reply #104 on: August 04, 2012, 02:35:AM »

When I decided to try to get serious about the Faith I had to get rid of my rock music collection (mostly underground black and death metal records but some grunge as well). The negativity and evil in some forms of rock is astounding and it does have an effect on you if you pay a lot of attention to what it does to your moods, feelings, thoughts etc.. I do still listen to old grateful Dead concerts and some Phish sometimes on my mp3 player but that is it and it is always in moderation. For the most part I can only listen to chant or classical or maybe an occasional Mozart Opera or something.

Indeed. I did the exact same thing and threw away about 100 metal CDs. It is very difficult to truly see the effect the music has on you until you are rid of it. Replace it with more edifying material and watch the spiritual life increase by leaps and bounds!
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« Reply #105 on: August 04, 2012, 04:24:AM »


Old threads:

For Those About to Rock

For Those About to Rock 2

 
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« Reply #106 on: August 08, 2012, 05:08:PM »

Interesting website on the songs of the "evil" Beatles:http://www.icce.rug.nl/~soundscapes/DATABASES/AWP/awp-notes_on.shtml. Musicologist Alan W. Pollack analyzes all the Beatles songs, providing much evidence that their music has real musical value, and they made noteworthy contributions to modern music.
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« Reply #107 on: August 09, 2012, 12:24:PM »

I can't resist. This is what I consider the best R&B, Funk, Jazz, Pop group ever. They used to play at the Burning Spear here on 79th an Stony Island. Check the vibe baby.  This is the Beatles palyed by them.


<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6L05WHTgUQ" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6L05WHTgUQ</a>

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« Reply #108 on: August 09, 2012, 10:10:PM »

Interesting website on the songs of the "evil" Beatles:http://www.icce.rug.nl/~soundscapes/DATABASES/AWP/awp-notes_on.shtml. Musicologist Alan W. Pollack analyzes all the Beatles songs, providing much evidence that their music has real musical value, and they made noteworthy contributions to modern music.

It's an opinion piece supported by confirmation bias. A good author could make the same argument for GWAR. The point is that just because we think it made significant contributions to modernity doesn't necessarily make that a good thing, unless you think modernity itself is a good thing.
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"The practice of the Church has always been the same, as is shown by the unanimous teaching of the Fathers, who were wont to hold as outside Catholic communion, and alien to the Church, whoever would recede in the least degree from any point of doctrine proposed by her authoritative magisterium" (Pope Leo XIII, Satis Cognitum, no.  9, June 29, 1896).

“Wherefore, brethren, labour the more, that by good works you may make sure your calling and election. For doing these things, you shall not sin at any time” (2 Peter 1:10).

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« Reply #109 on: August 10, 2012, 08:43:AM »

It's an opinion piece supported by confirmation bias. A good author could make the same argument for GWAR. The point is that just because we think it made significant contributions to modernity doesn't necessarily make that a good thing, unless you think modernity itself is a good thing.

You say "modernity," while I say modern music, which means music of our time. Sure it is an opinion piece, but he points to real concepts of Western music to prove his points, and they are valid points. Just one example is the song Because which was influenced by the Moonlight Sonata by Beethoven. It has a beautiful three-part harmony, which is tripled in the final recording. Then it ends on a unresolved "hanging" diminished seventh chord. Interesting in itself, but the beginning of the next song "You Never Give Me Your Money," resolves the chord. In fact, the Beatles are well known very their very beautiful harmony and melody lines. Way more than for their rhythms. I bring all this up because . And the idea that GWAR is even close to the level of the Beatles musically and morally is just silly.

Here is a stripped down take of Because without the overdubs and instrumentation:

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzgv9iIGSrE" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzgv9iIGSrE</a>

Full version: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWlLPJG9Cvg



Another fun one I've been listening to lately. Beautiful and interesting harmonies:

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ox0p9chV6WM" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ox0p9chV6WM</a>
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