FSSP priest assigned to N.O.

[Sophia]

I have heard of these abuses at the indult before. I did not know that the FSSP was a party to it;

 

I've only been to a few different FSSP Masses, (we were married by an FSSP priest) but I would have to say that this is true in my experience. You never have to worry about the Mass itself, but no, they will not say anything that is controversial (and that eliminates a lot) so be prepared to get very sleepy during the sermon, and they rarely correct the parishoners.  And yes, they have to use the hosts consecrated from the NO Mass (at least we hope they were.)

 

At the Indult we've been going to for the past couple months, said by a visiting FSSP priest, the priest has yet to correct the parishoners about saying Mass along with the priest.  All it would take would be a short little, "this is what we do, and this is what we don't do" but they haven't done it yet.  At least the people don't say the canon along with Father, but they say all of the server responses, and also the things which are normally said in the NO but not in the traditional Mass.  I guess that this is an attempt at a "dialogue" Mass (?) but surely that doesn't include the Gloria, Credo, Sanctus, Our Father, Agnus Dei, or Domine Non Sum Dignus (especially when it is the priest saying it for himself?) No one has ever taken the time to help them even to pronounce the Latin, which they can barely do, and it actually forces Father and the servers to slow down their own words to coincide with the parishioners, which is just total noise because no one is saying the same words in the same way at the same time. 

 

I don't fault the people for one minute- they don't know any better, and they are trying very hard to do the right thing, but WHY oh WHY can't the priest say something?  They've had this Mass, once a month now, for nine months. Surely Fr. could have said something by now? 

[kjvail]

 

  More than one priest in the Fraternity has told me personally over the years how they hate having to offer Mass where the Novus Ordo Missae is offered. Fraternity priests in such situations must remain silent as the Hosts they have consecrated are distributed to the faithful in the hand in Novus Ordo Masses and strewn about on the floor and trampled underfoot. They must remain silent as immodestly dressed parishioners, both men and women, present themselves for Holy Communion. And, importantly, they must remain silent about the very Mass that they know is detrimental to the Faith (and this is true both in dual function parishes and in most instances in chapels administered entirely by the Fraternity).

 

Pink questions: I have heard of these abuses at the indult before. I did not know that the FSSP was a party to it; I presumed that their situation was such that they had to compromise yet I thought it was mainly the indults without them that scandalize the faithful with the modernist abuses. If the Blessed Sacrament consecrated by the FSSP priest is trampled underfoot, how do the Traditional parishioners know they aren't receiving a Host consecrated in the N.O. rite? Do the FSSP usually have their own chapels or are they for the most part constrained to a dual-rite environment?

 

 

 

 

I've been to the NO Mass at Holy Rosary celebrated by Msgr. Schaedel. He is very meticulous and most receive on the tongue anyways. In fact he often helps Fr. Duvelius distribute communion at the TLM as well.

I do not believe that a host consecrated at a NO rite would be invalid, so the question is irrelevant to me.

By that question you are assuming the consecration and perhaps the whole mass is invalid?

 

 

Although each priest must examine his own conscience on these matters, there have been priests ordained for Fraternity who have left it not to offer the Novus Ordo Missae but to embrace Tradition without compromise and without any hint of acceptance of the unjust and illicit conditions that fly in the face of the perpetually binding force of Quo Primum. Indeed, Father Duvelius's predecessor at Holy Rosary Church, Father Paul Petko, did just that some years ago now.

 Green question: Is the Father Paul Petko named above independent now? I heard there was an independent chapel in the Indy area.

 

 

There are actually two independent chapels in Indy. I've never been to either.

Fr. Petko is in Browsburg (just West of Indy), one of the members here goes there.

The other independent chapel I know even less about. It is in Beach Grove (suburb on the South side) - St. Joesph.

 

[AdoramusTeChriste]

I do not believe that a host consecrated at a NO rite would be invalid, so the question is irrelevant to me.

By that question you are assuming the consecration and perhaps the whole mass is invalid?

 

 

Not necessarily. It depends on where you happen to be sitting.

 

If you are sitting in a Church that has just had a clown mass or a teen mass, you might not be receiving the Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of Our Lord Jesus Christ. The form, matter, and intent could all be suspect. How would you know?

 

What if you are at a Mass where one of the "eucharistic ministers" screwed up and put some unconsecrated hosts in with the consecrated Hosts? How would you know?

 

I actually had a much longer reply almost ready then the wrong key was hit and, buh-bye. I can't retype the whole thing, I have to study and stuff. I hope these short answers don't offend you.

 

 

[kjvail]

 

I do not believe that a host consecrated at a NO rite would be invalid, so the question is irrelevant to me.

By that question you are assuming the consecration and perhaps the whole mass is invalid?

 

 

Not necessarily. It depends on where you happen to be sitting.

 

If you are sitting in a Church that has just had a clown mass or a teen mass, you might not be receiving the Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of Our Lord Jesus Christ. The form, matter, and intent could all be suspect. How would you know?

 

What if you are at a Mass where one of the "eucharistic ministers" screwed up and put some unconsecrated hosts in with the consecrated Hosts? How would you know?

 

I actually had a much longer reply almost ready then the wrong key was hit and, buh-bye. I can't retype the whole thing, I have to study and stuff. I hope these short answers don't offend you.

 

 

 

None of these describe the NO mass at Holy Rosary so I'm not worried.

The only EEM's used are the Sisters from the convent behind the church. They are

from Africa, a very devout order of young women. Fully habited and overseen by our D.R.E. Sister Diane Carollo. (who is not from Africa obviously)

 

 

 

[DominusTecum]

Exactly, Kathy, my sentiments as well. I would certainly rather recieve a host which was consecrated by the FSSP priest at the Tridentine Mass, and I think it is a low-down, dirty, and rotten trick to mix the hosts, or to do the little act where the FSSP priest only consecrates a host for himself and the faithful are given hosts consecrated at the N.O., but if, like at Holy Rosary, the people, priest, and masses are devout Novus Ordo, and not terribly suspect, then it is OK. We should always assume the host IS consecrated, unless we have a very good reason to suspect that it is not.

[PaxTecum]

I have seen at the Indult in Cleveland (Immaculate Conception) the priest brings out his own ciborium to use for the Mass, at least the time that I thought to look I seen it. He did not open the Tabernacle at all. He comes from the nearby Abbey. Of course, he offers the N.O. as well, so I'm not too keen on that. The choir and vespers on the first and third Sunday of the month that come with him are quite heavenly.

[MauricePinay]

I have witnessed FSSP priests attempting to avoid this problem by making a concerted effort to consecrate the exact number of hosts needed for the mass they are offering. If, while distributing Holy Communion, the priest believes they may come up short, they will fraction the remaining hosts so that everyone receives communion from the hosts consecrated at that mass. In the event that there are extra hosts remaining after communion, the priest may consume them. This removes the tabernacle hosts from the equation completely.

 

Whether all FSSP priests do this, I can't say. But I have witnessed it being done by some FSSP priests.

[AdoramusTeChriste]

I have witnessed FSSP priests attempting to avoid this problem by making a concerted effort to consecrate the exact number of hosts needed for the mass they are offering. If, while distributing Holy Communion, the priest believes they may come up short, they will fraction the remaining hosts so that everyone receives communion from the hosts consecrated at that mass. In the event that there are extra hosts remaining after communion, the priest may consume them. This removes the tabernacle hosts from the equation completely.

 

Whether all FSSP priests do this, I can't say. But I have witnessed it being done by some FSSP priests.

Excellent solution.