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JoanLorraine
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« on: August 20, 2005, 02:33:PM »

I came and found God did exist. I found that out in a Catholic church. I have faithfully attended that church ever since, working hard to establish myself both spiritually as a newborn catholic Christian, and as a new member of that particular body of Christ.  My spiritual questions to those established ones that I came to be aware of were all met with 'go elsewhere', 'talk to your adviser' (who first had a packed schedule, then serious emergency surgery, is elderly, and may never fully recover so we have never connected, yet I am constantly referred to her), wait for RCIA..... all these people with answers, with spiritual knowledge, with tools that could help me in my spiritual battles and such darkness that I'm in the middle of NOW, yet unwilling to share with me these treasures.  I can't even break into 'fellowship' here either, everyone is so established, so close already with their own friends/family/groups/, I come every week, week after week, and watch others meet and greet each other with great joy, hugs, welcome, I don't even register except with the usher who's job it is to smile at me and hand me a bulletin.  I have worked very hard for 5 months to break into  this place, spiritually, in the body, and have yet to connect with a single solitary person - even the Priest.  So I came and found God and I now know he exists.  That I will have to live with for the rest of my  life.  The rest I may have to live without.  It's simply too painful to keep doing this starting over, I'm painfully shy, but without fellowship in mass because I'm not confirmed and can't participate in Eucharist, and then without any welcome in fellowship with the body, is more pain than I can deal with.  I can read my Bible and pray at at home.  God will forgive me for not being officially Catholic.  I say all this for those of you established folk in Catholic Churches to please look for new ones, welcome them not just once but all the time, every week, answer their questions, share your spiritual knowledge, don't assume they're OK, ask what they need....don't limited your love and welcome to a priveleged few.....I may be lost here, but if I can save others, that will be a good thing......

 

I'm overwhelmed by the response here....by the genuine concern and love being shown by total strangers from all over creation who don't know me from Eve....if only a fraction of this caring were evident in the Cathedral this problem for me would not exist.  I'm going to be trying a number of suggestion put forward by various members, an SSPX chapel service, I've found a religious retreat locally run by the Sisters of St. Ann etc.  I don't want to throw out the baby with the bathwater, I don't want to be at home alone with my Bible, I really want to be a real confirmed Catholic and participate fully in Mass and Eucharist and everything else that goes with it - AS WELL as fellowship with the body of Christ as my church family.  I simply can't continue as I have been, it takes me all week to recover and then it's time to do it all over again.....so it's time for some new things.....again, thank you all for being here for me, I'm quite astonished at all this outpouring of love - God bless you all......JoanLorraine

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JoanLorraine
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DominusTecum
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« Reply #1 on: August 20, 2005, 02:47:PM »

How terrible! I am so sorry that you have been treated like this JoanLorraine! I will pray for you tonight!

 

Do you go to mass at a traditional chapel? (just curious)

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AdoramusTeChriste
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« Reply #2 on: August 20, 2005, 03:07:PM »

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wait for RCIA

 

Waiting is never a good idea, and your situation is a textbook example of why. My experiences with RCIA have been that it is a highly capricious program that varies from parish to parish and the degrees of modernism vary within it.

 

I daresay that many souls have languished as you are because they have to "wait" around for this program. At my chapel, the people who are seeking to convert or simply inquiring about the Faith are not assigned to anyone. They meet with the priest. Usually, I think the arrangements are set up via phone.

 

I would also recommend that before you throw in the towel, give the SSPX in your district (Canada, right?) a phone call, and ask for spiritual direction. It might be kind of unnerving at first, but I bet you will be glad you did. I know I was.

 

I will be praying for you JoanLorraine. This trial to your faith is an awful obstacle. I pray that God removes it right away. And please, don't leave the forum!

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« Reply #3 on: August 20, 2005, 03:39:PM »

I can definitely relate.
  I decided to investigate the Church in Oct of 2003. I called my nearest  parish and they said classes had already started and I would have to  wait for the next one. They didn't tell me at the time that would be  the following September. I'm also very shy, a loner. I simply do not  walk up to strangers and start conversations.
  I persevered. I found EWTN on the radio, attended a few masses and did  alot of reading but attending my first TLM was the turning point. It  was an emotional epiphany that just capped my intellectual conviction  that the Catholic Church was true.
   I still knew no one.
   I started attending the TLM every week, alone. My wife wouldn't  go, my son wouldn't go. Couldn't get them out of bed. I'd stand there  on the sidewalk after mass and see everyone talking and yukking it up.  I'd usually stay about long enough to smoke a cigarrette or two and  then leave. For probably 4 months no one even said Hi. To make it worse  the priest that offers the TLM at my parish seems to be about as  painfully shy as I am. Even to this day I can't get 10 words out of him  in a conversation. I mean the Lord said "let your answers be yes yes  and no no" but sheesh this guy takes it too far
  Anyways, finally somone did introduce themselves. That helped some but  it wasn't like I was suddenly innudated with dinner invitations. Now I  knew one guy and his wife.
  I started RCIA at a different parish, where my son attended school and  I hoped to make friends there but after about 3 months of hearing  heresy taught and being called a "fundamentalist" by the pastor because  I believe in extra ecclasium nulla sulla. I quit.
  But
  In that time I had taken it on myself to get involved in whatever I  could. I'm a pretty busy fellow - full-time job, part time college, 3  kids and wife but I made myself do something. Get involved in an  organization or something. I went to meetings of the Legion of Mary.  The lady in charge was very nice and after I told her of my struggles  in the other RCIA she talked with the Sister at our parish who is the  D.R.E. .
  I coudn't attend RCIA at that parish because it conflicted with my work  but she set me up with private instruction. I was introduced to a  couple who would serve as godparents for me since I didn't know a soul  who was a practicing Catholic. I finally got my son interested and it's  been much better since then.
  One thing we did at our parish was start a "convert support group". We  haven't had alot of success but the idea is sound. I really wish other  parishes would do something like it. There is absolutely no excuse for  a seeker to be told "come back next year" like I was (not in so many  words).
  Catholics are notorious, I found out late,r for not really being real  welcoming. I've never had the experience but I've heard evangelical  sects grab newcomers and almost overwhelm them with attention. We  should as Catholic been doing even better, since we have the truth.
  All I can say is God as called you to the Catholic Church, He has plans  for you. Have courage and faith. You will get what you need when you  need it, I did.If you take one step toward Jesus he will run to greet  you and welcome you home.
  Being on message boards helped me, the anonymity of this medium is a  help to me. I'm much more comfortable talking to strangers, like you  right now, here than I am in real life.
  I guess I did have the advantage of a similiar experience nearly 13  years ago when I got sober and started attending AA. But AAs are a  pretty outgoing bunch as a rule, they gobble up newcomers. It still  wasn't easy but then, as now (maybe even moreso now) I knew how  important it was that I make it work. Then my life was at stake, today  it is my immortal soul.
  I hope you see this message and keeping coming back (as they say in  AA). I'm a long way from B.C. but I offer whatever support I can give  and prayers of course.
 
 
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« Reply #4 on: August 20, 2005, 04:00:PM »

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Catholics are notorious, I found out late,r for not really being real welcoming. I've never had the experience but I've heard evangelical sects grab newcomers and almost overwhelm them with attention. We should as Catholic been doing even better, since we have the truth.
 

 

Yes, that is so true. I think it stems from the fact that we are at Mass to worship Christ in the Holy Sacrifice, not as a social event. Ya' know what I mean?

 

My chapel has a carry in dinner every Sunday because we have so many people that drive long distances and Mass is usually in the afternoon. I rarely stay for it because I live only a half an hour away and my dh doesn't like me staying that long. Even on the rare occasions he goes with us to Mass, he is in a big fat hurry to get home. He makes us Catholics look like the welcome wagon.

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Adoramus te, Christe, et benedicimus tibi, quia per sanctam crucem tuam redemisti mundum.
To listen to the hymn- http://fisheaters.com/forumpix/adoramustechriste.html

"I am convinced that the crisis of the church which we are living through today was largely caused by the disintegration of the liturgy."              
- The former Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger

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Kephapaulos
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« Reply #5 on: August 20, 2005, 04:39:PM »

I'll pray for you too, JoanLorraine. I know definitely how it feels to not be able to talk to others. In my experience, throughout my whole twenty-one years of life so far, I have dealt with my peers who just do not feel like talking to me, or just do not realize the value of a good deep conversation with another human being. It is rare and hard to find those many times. And pertaining to the Catholic faith, sadly even those in the Campus Ministry of my university are just too interested in the things of this world and are too ecumenical instead of talking about the Catholc faith in depth. Much less does even the Dominican priest (ordained in 1959) present the Catholic faith properly as it should be done. I know he has told me that it is hard to commit a mortal sin, which is just rubbish. Nonetheless, do not give up hope. I would find the nearest traditional parish besides that one that you mentioned above, if it is traditional, and see if they can provide you with proper catechesis.

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« Reply #6 on: August 20, 2005, 05:22:PM »

The experiences described by JoanLorraine and Kjvail above contrast sharply with my own positive experience as a [non-Catholic] newcomer at the SSPX chapel in Mt. Holly, North Carolina, where the people were so friendly that I stayed talking afterwards for several hours after the mass at my first visit in October.  

[I am somewhat shy with new people myself so I can certainly relate to that.]

I guess the atmosphere varies from place to place.  I suspect that to some extent the priest sets the tone, and Fr. Kenneth Novak happens to be a warm and outgoing person.  Forget the Novus Ordo; find a Latin mass and don't give up: friendly, welcoming trads are out there!

However, I'm sure that traditional chapels could do things better, or Fr. Anthony Cekada wouldn't have had to write this humorous and insightful article:
http://traditionalmass.org/articles/article.php?id=7&catname=9
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tradcatholicmom
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« Reply #7 on: August 20, 2005, 06:31:PM »

Please, please attend a traditional chapel.  They don't have RCIA, they won't make you wait like this. 

 

I'll pray that the Blessed Mother will bring  you back!

 

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Marisa
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« Reply #8 on: August 20, 2005, 07:16:PM »

Dear JoanLorraine,

 

There will be a Mass at the SSPX chapel in Victoria on August 28th at 4 pm. Here is the link:

http://www.sspx.ca/British_Columbia/StAnnsChapel.htm

 

Please give the TLM a try, and introduce yourself to the priest there.

 

I'm extremely shy and somewhat of a loner myself.....and usually just smile at newcomers, however last week I mustered up the courage to invite a new family to our social, as Father had forgotten to mention it. I've noticed that many other people at our church seem to be shy as well. We haven't had the TLM in our city for very long, and our socials have been pretty quiet.  

 

We're here for you JoanLorraine! Please stick around!

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mattc
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« Reply #9 on: August 20, 2005, 07:21:PM »

I actually prefer the relative anonymity of the Catholic Mass at times.  It's comforting to know I can worship without always having it turn into a social event (beyond the celebration itself).
 
 That said, it can be tough to break into the Church social circles, and RCIA was helpful with that at my NO parish.  When I started attending the Indult parish I didn't have the luxury of RCIA and so after a while I started volunteering so I could meet people.  So far that has turned out well.
 
 I think there is something to be said for the "Sunday School" of the Protestant church of my youth.  These days I would prefer straight Bible or Catechism study.
 
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